by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult
In contrast some muslim countries have stoning written in their judical system - FACT.
Yes, 5 muslim countries do. And about 45 muslim countries do not. We have been over this.
Another fact is that the overwhelming majority of the world's Muslims do not stone people to death.
Also, stoning people to death is terrible and wrong and I am 100% against it. It should not be tolerated by anyone for any reason.
Are there any Quranic verses that explicitly say 'pardon/forgive/show mercy to the infidel'?
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The cricketts are still chirping. Come on Islam defenders...show us this religion of peace that you are defending.
@lisaBObeesa
1. By your own estimate, 337 million muslims in favour of stoning is a helluva lot of people.
2. You automatically assume that the other 1.2 billion are not in favour of stoning, without providing evidence. Neither you nor I can read these muslims' minds.
3. There might be more than 5 muslim countries that have de jure stoning.
Instead of just looking at stoning we really ought to look at other types of barbaric punishment to get a more complete picture of Islam's influence on crime and punishment. I'm sure the number of supporters would be much much higher.
At the end of the day though, it's not just a fringe element that supports inexcusable shit like this. This is an institutionalized problem in many parts of the world as the map above proves, and it's an Islam problem.
tootired, so by your sources it is legal or practiced in 11 countries. That leaves about 39 Muslim majority countries where it is not legal/practiced.
also it says it is practiced in only 8 of those countries.
Most Muslims do not stone people to death.
Most Muslims do not stone people to death.
So it's not bad enough for you that a population that roughly equals the entire US population supports this in 2014? Also, why are we only discussing stoning? There are many other travesties sactioned by Islam happening every day.
At the end of the day, what is important here is that it's not just a fringe element that supports inexcusable shit like this. This is an institutionalized problem in many parts of the world, and it is an Islam problem.
1. By your own estimate, 337 million muslims in favour of stoning is a helluva lot of people.
1.2 BILLION is a helluba lot MORE people.
2. You automatically assume that the other 1.2 billion are not in favour of stoning, without providing evidence. Neither you nor I can read these muslims' minds.
You are right. I can say that at the very least 1.2 billion Muslims do not stone people to death.
I haven't read all this thread; I intend to later. But just in regard to the post above (tootired2care), I have seen the following very disturbing videos of Muslim punishment: boy (14?) having one hand and one foot cut off for theft of food, boy (14?) having hand cut off for theft of food, boy (8?) having arm run over and crushed by truck for theft of bread.
The whole argument around stoning seems to go like this:
"Not all muslims stone people to death therefore islam is not responsible for any stonings and is peaceful".
That is about it. Hardly a convincing argument.
Sure, most muslims don't actually stone people to death themselves. But do they repeat and believe the verses in their quran talking about it? Do they voice support for certain groups 'to be killed' (regardless of who will actually do it and how).
Of course you pick one of the most barbaric acts and also one of the least practiced to give your argument the maximum weight but even then it's a pretty weak argument because islamic countries have a terrible record generally when it comes to things like this.
But still, having most muslims *not* stone people isn't evidence that islam does not contain commandments to do so or that it isn't condoned or supported in principal (i.e. death for those disobeying certain commandments).
Also, trying to apply things to a country level and then "counting the countries" is statistically dishonest.
