'also it says it is practiced in only 8 of those countries' - but how do I, you or anyone else on this thread know the views of muslims living in the other 39 muslim countries?
Perhaps a sizeable number of these are in favour of stoning?
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
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Simon
Here is the truth:
If the book of Jebus 3:14 said "kill the dark skinned for they are unclean" and 'only' 10% of 'moderate christians' actually said that they believed black people should actually be killed there is no way on earth that people would defend Christianity as being a religion of peace regardless of the fact that there are 90% not voicing the opinion openly and no way would people believe that there were not more beyond the 10% that actually held the beliefs in secret.
That is without even looking at 'hardline christian countries' where 60% or 70% of people not only believed but also followed it.
This defense of islam is sickening hypocrisy by political correct zealots who think they will earn brownie points from someone somewhere for it.
Still this rediculous notion that all religions are exactly identical and one cannot be criticised more than the others.
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Simon
Wow, even when they are killing people in barbaric ways they still have to disadvantage women somehow!
(women burried to their chests, men to their waist, 'escaping' means freedom).
'also it says it is practiced in only 8 of those countries' - but how do I, you or anyone else on this thread know the views of muslims living in the other 39 muslim countries?
Lisa speaks for all muslims now.
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tootired2care
Simon it is sickening, I would love to know the motives for defending the indefensable. I never thought I'd see the day that someone of Jewish descent is actually on record for defending Islam, an idealogy that has sanctioned a genocide of Jews.
I suspect that this all has something to do with pride that they once bought the liberal talking point and believed it was the "religion of peace", or some other deep seated anglo hate or resentment. -
Simon
I suspect that this all has something to do with pride that they once believed it was a religion of peace, or some deep seated anglo hate or resentment.
I think it's racial. Most converts to islam tend to be black so criticising islam is seen as somehow attacking their race which is simply mental.
We've seen people on this topic try to make it into a black / white race issue which of course it isn't.
Anyone can be muslim just as anyone can be christian. Stupid intollerance knows no racial boundaries.
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lisaBObeesa
'also it says it is practiced in only 8 of those countries' - but how do I, you or anyone else on this thread know the views of muslims living in the other 39 muslim countries?
Perhaps a sizeable number of these are in favour of stoning?
That is not an argument.
The whole argument around stoning seems to go like this:
"Not all muslims stone people to death therefore islam is not responsible for any stonings and is peaceful".
That is about it. Hardly a convincing argument.
You sir are lying about my argument. That is not my argument and you know it. My argument can be seen starting on page 58, where stoning was brought up by Qcmbr, through this page.
Sure, most muslims don't actually stone people to death themselves. But do they repeat and believe the verses in their quran talking about it? Do they voice support for certain groups 'to be killed' (regardless of who will actually do it and how).
No, most Muslims around the world do not believe the Koran says to stone people to death and most Muslims around the world do not voice support for certain groups to be killed.
Of course you pick one of the most barbaric acts and also one of the least practiced to give your argument the maximum weight but even then it's a pretty weak argument because islamic countries have a terrible record generally when it comes to things like this.
This topic was started not by me, but by Qcmber on page 58. I argued it was an invalid point, you challenged my response to Qcmber, and here we are on page 62
But still, having most muslims *not* stone people isn't evidence that islam does not contain commandments to do so or that it isn't condoned or supported in principal (i.e. death for those disobeying certain commandments).
No, it is evidence that most Muslims around the world do not stone people to death. period.
Also, trying to apply things to a country level and then "counting the countries" is statistically dishonest.
I hope you did not miss the part where I also used population numbers to support my contention that most Muslims around the world do not stone people to death. It is just 1 page back. I actually had to spend several minutes finding out how many Muslims lived in those countries and doing math and stuff.
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Simon
No, most Muslims around the world do not believe the Koran says to stone people to death and most Muslims around the world do not voice support for certain groups to be killed.
They should really get you to the UN so you can tell the world what every muslim on the planet believes. That is an amazing super-power you have!
Oh, and they most definitely do voice support for certain groups to be killed on a fairly regular basis either directly or indirectly - loudest in the larger muslim populated countries and less so in the western countries but still a large number support things as we've seen.
They also support it by preaching that the Quran (which teaches it) is the infallible and never to be questioned holy word of god that must be obeyed and not objecting or voicing opposition to it when others carry out their barbarism (we're not talking just about stoning of course).
You have no argument. It's utterly indefensible. Yet still you persist.
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tootired2care
When the U.S. and Britain are someday overrun by the hundreds of millions of "moderate" believers of Islam, and the constitutution is shredded, and replaced with Sharia Law, do you think that liberal women will gladly put on the Burka then?
Because of the lengths so many are willing to go to in defense of Islam, I suspect that many really do believe that life would be better under Sharia Law. Free speech, who needs it?
My thought is, why wait? Just move to Iran now, and you can experience it, in its full glory now!
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lisaBObeesa
Oh, and they most definitely do voice support for certain groups to be killed on a fairly regular basis either directly or indirectly -
I said MOST don't.
They also support it by preaching that the Quran (which teaches it)
it does not teach stoning. do some research.
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Simon
it does not teach stoning. do some research.
I said I was talking about more than stoning. Learn to read.
I said MOST don't.
Again, you are zoning in on stoning which is very specific and rare (of course it's why you are focusing on it!). We're talking about messages and teachings of hate and even if 'most' muslims don't directly voice them directly they don't object to them and they support the belief system that promotes them so I think they do or they need to do a much better job distancing themselves from the loony beliefs.