Are the Shariah Police, Moslem patrols in European cities trying to usurp policing powers? A symptom of the development create an ever expanding state within a state?
Way beyond the invisible rule wt celebrates this month?
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult
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Fernando
Some, like me, distinguish between those who follow religion and those who follow a spiritual path instead.
Google search - "not all Muslims are Islamists".
(similar to: "not all Jews are Zionists", or not all Christians practice "Christless Christianity")
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confusedandalone
So we have the American view and British view of Bomb them back to the stone age, then you use the excuse that thier "stone age" value system is the reason they need to be bombed? So So So funny.
tootiredto care so foolishly states, "I grow so tired of hearing this retreaded false point. It sounds as if you actually believe that America went into each and every one of the dozens and dozens of backwater countries and screwed things up."
Just so you know the United States, Britian, France, Italy and the Netherlands have gone into everyone of these countries. Do you know anything about history or are you just willfully ignorant and hide that ignorance with witty responses of no substance.
Britian has invaded 190+ nations
The United States has 50+
In this process they have destroyed governments they have slaughtered people. They have gone in and taken the Natural resources of many of these places. They enslaved many of these people. It is so ridiculous that its not even funny. These nations can not recover because the US and many European nations destroy infrastructure and kill of the intelligensia of these countries and leave them with nothing.
Ask yourself what this nation would be like if someone came in during the 1880's and in a 20 year period killed off half the population LITERALLY. It would be a mess. All that has taken place would not have. What if those same people took possession of all the natural resources? What if they mutilated 15 - 30% of the population they left alive? Would this nation still be what it is today. OF COURSED NOT.
However when nations like Congo experienced this type of rule from EUROPEANS you somehow expect them to bounce back in just under a century with no real help from anyone. Literally up to half the population was killed. They have no right to complain of the past and that they are owed something.
This is not a unique occurence. Literally every african nation with maybe the exception of Ethiopia was ravaged of everything they had and all the wealth shipped away to Europe and America. Millions killed, refused education used as slaves and left with no defenses. This same rule over them continued into the 20th century. You could possibly wonder why these nations have not recovered. You just want to ignore the facts.
This is just africa, do we need to discuss the similar treatment of Central and South AMerica???? The European invaders that took over these entire continents and when they decided to leave give these nations minimal amounts of help.
Yet you give the JEWS thier own country??? You give European converts to Judaism land that they do not own in anyway shape or form and support that nation better than most of the states in your own union.
Now you go into Iraq a nation that atleast had some level of stability under Saddam, you despose him and then create a nation that is in a far worse situation. The same in Afghanistan.
The rabid nationalism that you are showing is the same nationalism displayed by ISIS and similar groups. The just mask theirs behind extremist ideology.
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Laika
My favourite part of this crazy thread was that the comic on how the worst thing 'extreme atheists' do was drink lots of beer, was posted by the same person who had just called for the criminalisation of Islam. I think Simon must be trolling us.
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Qcmbr
Ruby - not even close. Please read up on this and see how many differences you can find. I myself am opposed to the death penalty and I live in a country that supports that but that isn't particulary relevant here. Please don't sidetrack.
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confusedandalone
1 - The only people claiming everyone is x or y are extremists (like the muslims committing genocide in Syria and Iraq). Very few people in the educated and civilised world would dream of grouping all people into the category of terrorist and would be condemned for it in any educated discussion.
2 - In the Muslim world it is common practice to hide women with clothing, by not allowing photographs and making them walk behind the men. Its a horrific way to treat women and make them disappear.
4 - Islam doesn't allow women to choose who they marry and if they date outside the acceptable bounds or they dare to fall in love with someone not sanctioned by the family then they are at risk of ostracisation or in really Islamic cultures - honour killing.
5 - Color is an important battle that the West is gradually overcoming (thank goodness) but there are still backward cultures like Islam that split people up into groups based upon such things as belief and in extreme situations teach that it is acceptable to kill them (some even do.)
I'm glad you have shown some concepts that make Islam particularly backward and repugnant to modern society.
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It is funny that everything you mentioned could be applied to this country no more than 60 years ago.
SO maybe they are 60 years behind. I am sure your father or Grandfather 60 years ago believed this same crap.
Women in this country were not intelligent enough to have certain jobs and should stay at home in the kitchen making babies and washing laundry. Sure they could walk next to their husband but he could also slap them around at night and nothign would really happen.
There were still laws in this country about interacial relationships in the 20th century.
etc.. etc...
The problem with the west is ywe want everyone to do what we want them to do when we want them to.
In 50 years you have no idea where these people will be at morally. Stop trying to shape everyone into the mold you see fit
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Qcmbr
confused - you can pick any period of time you want and use it to illustrate whatever you want (I'm British - according to some I should still be apologising for Empire) but this does not solve a fundamental issue of now. That you do not see the danger does not mean it doesn't exist.
Islam cannot change - its words are 'dictated from God' and there will be no further revelations. When disgusting concepts such as this are written:
“Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.” Quran 2:223
You must realise that there is NO WAY to alter that. It will last as long as there are men and women who are believing , brainwashed or too frightened to disagree with Islam. Until you convert to Islam you will always be Kaffir.
Just like Western Society was rescued from extreme Christianity - at least notionally now there is a seperation of church and state - so we must educate and impose these same secular laws and concepts on incoming ideaologies, otherwise we accept the long term dissolution of our way of life in the face of militant, unlawful , faith based Islamic colonialism.
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lisaBObeesa
lisa - did you look at the pictures you posted?
Qcmbr -did you read the words you just posted?
The only people claiming everyone is x or y are extremists (like the muslims committing genocide in Syria and Iraq). Very few people in the educated and civilised world would dream of grouping all people into the category of terrorist and would be condemned for it in any educated discussion.
So it is not ok to group all Muslim people into the category of terrorist. On that we agree.
Are there other categories that it would be ok to group all Muslim people into? Or would grouping all 1.6 billion muslims into any one category be condemned in any educated discussion?
2 - In the Muslim world it is common practice to hide women with clothing, by not allowing photographs and making them walk behind the men. Its a horrific way to treat women and make them disappear.
In the Christian world it is common for the man to be considered the head of the wife and the wife must be in subjection to him. In the Bible, women are treated as property, married against their will, raped, etc. In the western world, women are expected to the same work as men for less money, are subjected to standards of dress that expose their bodies, are judged on their appearance more than on their brains or work, and become invisible after the age of 50.
4 - Islam doesn't allow women to choose who they marry and if they date outside the acceptable bounds or they dare to fall in love with someone not sanctioned by the family then they are at risk of ostracisation or in really Islamic cultures - honour killing.
Christianity doesn’t allow women to choose to marry people outside of their faith and if they do they will be kicked out of their family, AND Christians would stone such women to death but are prevented from doing so by the law of the land! Christians wish they lived in a theocracy with it would be possible to stone such a person! <-I realize that this a ridiculous untrue statement to make about Christians based on the beliefs of one extreme Christian group, the JWs. I am trying to make a point, I don’t really believe that about Christians, I really only believe that about JWs.
5 - Color is an important battle that the West is gradually overcoming (thank goodness) but there are still backward cultures like Islam that split people up into groups based upon such things as belief and in extreme situations teach that it is acceptable to kill them (some even do.)
VERY gradually! (Unfortunately, TOO gradually). In my country we are split by color through residential segregation and every manner of racial bias and institutional racism that is built into the fabric of America. And in ‘backward cultures’ it is acceptable to kill people in the ‘other’ group? Here in America we are free to kill Jordan Davis, Michael Brown, a Mexican kid on the other side of the boarder throwing rocks…to stop and frisk based on skin color…to demand a person ‘show us your papers’ based on skin color…to hate based on religion…we live in constant fear of ‘thugs’ (any brown boy with sagging pants) and terrorists (any brown person who looks middle eastern) and lazy, illegal, job stealing, moochers (anyone who looks Latino to us or speaks Spanish), but we think we are better than racists in other cultures?…we are backward indeed! And blind, to boot!
I'm glad you have shown some concepts that make Islam particularly backward and repugnant to modern society.
Fixed:
I'm glad you have shown some concepts that make Islamophobia particularly backward and repugnant to modern society.
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confusedandalone
" Just like Western Society was rescued from extreme Christianity "
Please TELL ME WHO RESCUED WESTERN SOCIETY FROM EXTREME CHRISTIANITY?
Do you realize how hypocritical you are by saying " Islam cannot change - its words are 'dictated from God' and there will be no further revelations. When disgusting concepts such as this are written:"
When you said Christianity has changed????? Do you????
Chrisitianity has tenets that are just as despicable... do we even need to mention Judaism??? what is wrong with you guys. Do you not realize Forcing people to do what you want just makes them angrier and more resolved to fight against it? why must you all try to deride the fact that things done here 40 years ago are no longer valid. Yet you take the things people do elsewhere 40 to 400 years ago and use that against them.
For instance the completely ignorant person who puts up an image stating islam has done nothing for anyone in 1400 years... had it not been for the Islamic Moors Europe would be NOWHERE and still stuck in the dark ages. it is that kind of rhetoric/nationalism / ignorance that shows what the real agenda is.
I wonder if any of you stating this foolishness have any understanding of history at all