Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease (page 30)

keyser soze

Especially that Watchtower sect.

I'm glad someone mentioned the WT. I find it interesting that people on this forum are far more unified in their condemnation of a religion whose wrongs seem rather mild compared to that of Islam.

Simon

When Anders Breivik killed dozens of people, it was - in his view - in the name of Christianity, but that doesn't automatically mean all Christians are terrorists.

I agree, the point I was making is that it seems like political correctness when you have someone saying "I did this in the name of islam" and authorities deciding "oh no you didn't".

If someone did something for a reason then that is the reason. It is not to say that the reason is legitimate or applies to everyone else but that was their reason and it should not be ignored or suppressed.

It's no different to people killing someone of another race, saying they did it because of their color and authorities claiming it wasn't a racially motivated crime for convenience reasons.

Again though, if someone kills in the name of chistianity then it's easy to say - erm no, that's not what christianity teaches. When someone does it in the name of islam though, well, aren't they then just following the commandments of their god because that is what it teaches, <- the fundamental issue

Simon

Or this? You haven't 'seen their leaders' decrying ISIS's actions, Simon, because you don't want to. These were only a simple Google search away....

Yes, people will decry it - but nowhere will you find the simple statements "this is not what islam teaches and here's why ..."

Why is that? Isn't it because all that stuff they are doing actually is in their holy book?

All that people can say is "this gives our religion a bad name" and ultimately, to the believers, this becomes "do what I say instead of what god says" which is an inneffective message IMO although some find comfort in the notion that 'not all muslims are like that'.

The only convincing argument is to say "that is not the word of god". Which means you are not a muslim if you are 'moderate' = my point.

nonjwspouse

I find it interesting that Simon gets a bashing on one of his sources, regardless of the content of it and the other sources. it shows quite an ignorant intolerance of information. hmmm

Simon, I agree with you. Those who would say publically " I do not believe in that flavor of Islam" and denounce it are moderate followers. A moderate follower, in fundemental Islam, is supposed to be killed according to the teachings. A Muslimo claim not to be a Muslim is also reason to be killed. This is not opinion, it is a fact. It has been followed for thousands of years, and still going strong. This fact is not accepted by the politically correct. That is self inflicted ignorance and very dangerous. Here in the US, the abusive acts of Fundamental Islam has not been tolerated. The law of human rights trumps it. I can only hope it will continue to trump.

I still find it curious why, after all the controversy, the president has not come out and claimed he is not a Muslim? ( Unless I somehow missed it, in wich case, please proivide me with the source) I fiind it curious, and also scary.

Darth Fader The Sequel

I have not read the hundreds of posts in this thread because I find the argument tedious and aggravating.

But, I did read several of Simon's posts and I want to go on the record and say that I am in agreement with Simon on this matter.

Islam and the Muslims are the epitome of devout religious zealots. They only respect violence and death. I do not need a history lesson from any of you wankers about the atrocities that other religions have done. Stop excusing abhorrent behavior by pointing out other abhorrent behavior.

lisaBObeesa

The JWN Liberal brigade is also the first there if amyone make any derogatory statement against women, homosexuals or people of another race. They are nothing but hypocrites to support Islam, because Islam is derogatory against women, homosexuals and Western people.

All of Islam is not the same. I could just as easily say "Christianity is derogatory against women, homosexuals, and Eastern people" it would be equally wrong because all of Christianity is not derogatory against women, homosexuals and Eastern people. "Christianity" is a huge umbella that covers millions of different beliefs, actions, and cultures. It is the same with Islam.

It is not my goal to 'support Islam.' It is my goal to support logical rational fact-based thinking and to fight false and illogical streotypes. It is illogical and irrational and dangerous to judge every Muslim in the world based on the actions of a tiny group of radical Muslim terrorists.

Islam is a disease. The radical element is the leadership of the faith.

Islam does not have one leader or even several leaders, it has uncountable different leaders and thinkers, just as Christianity does. All of Islam not the same.

There are only moderate Muslims, because they are in countries where true Islam cannot be forced upon them.

There are moderate Mulsims. There ARE moderate Muslims. all Muslims are not the same.

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mapping-the-global-muslim-population/

This “weighted” map of the world shows each country’s relative size based on its Muslim population. Figures are rounded to the nearest million.

Please notice that the majority of the world's Muslims do not live in places where Sharia law is enshrined in civil law and other religions are not allowed.

lisaBObeesa

Yes, people will decry it - but nowhere will you find the simple statements "this is not what islam teaches and here's why ...

Try googling it.

confusedandalone

"I still find it curious why, after all the controversy, the president has not come out and claimed he is not a Muslim? ( Unless I somehow missed it, in wich case, please proivide me with the source) I fiind it curious, and also scary."

--- He isn't a citizen either. I heard his daughters are devil worshippers and drink the blood of virgin chia pets!!!!

"I have not read the hundreds of posts in this thread because I find the argument tedious and aggravating."

--- Then you are really in no position to discuss anything here if you are not familiar with what people are saying.

"But, I did read several of Simon's posts and I want to go on the record and say that I am in agreement with Simon on this matter."

--- Of course you read Simon's post and let us be serious, if you did disagree with anything he said you would not admit it anyway.

lisaBObeesa

Please notice that the majority of the world's Muslims do not live in places where Sharia law is enshrined in civil law and other religions are not allowed.

I think I need to change that because several of the countries that do allow for freedom of religion do use Sharia courts for Muslims in family matters of divorce and inheritance etc, and that is civil. Thus my statement was not entirely correct.

So I'll correct my statement to:

Please notice that the majority of the world's Muslims do not live in places where Sharia law is enshrined in criminal law or most civil laws

and

most of the world's Mulsims live in countries were other religions are present and allowed.

Darth Fader The Sequel

Confusedandalone, Yes I am in a position to share my opinion. The arguments being made by the Muslim apologists is nothing new. I have heard it and argued it many, many times before. Hence, why I said it was "tedious".

I agreed with Simon because *I agree with Simon*. Your assumption that I would not disagree with him is baseless. So shove that comment up your rectum!

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