by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult
Quoting a based source does not help
Also please note you said they stole all their ideas from christians... yet we are well aware of how christians murdered and label led people apostates for the same thing.
Just because you type something in on Google and get lots of hits or papers written by anyone and there mother does not make it so.
lisab: So to be a Muslim you don't need to follow or believe the Quoran ... got it.
Didn't say that. And since what I did say is printed up above, I don't think I need to clarify here.
And thanks for the part of the post explaining about Christians and the Bible. If I were not raised in a Christian fundandamentalist religion I might not have known it and it might have been helpful to my understanding of the subject.
I'm sure a Muslim would be happy to explain to you about the Koran and how it all works in much the same way you explained about the Bible to me. Ask one! I believe there was at least one here on this thread... Oh wait. She probably left since you called her 'clearly mentally unbalanced' 'wacko terrorist' and so much more. Oh well.
Maybe the next Muslim you meet your should keep the "I think you are a wacko terrorist" stuff on the down-low until you can ask them a few questions about the koran. Just for research purposes.
Does that mean we're all Muslims now? The criteria seems pretty lose.
I'm not. Are you?? This is all so confusing now.
Fantastic post if not the most honest I have ever seen from a atheist on JWN, most don't have the moral fiber to speak like you Simon, incredible! Thank's for being honest, you are the real deal and I am not saying this because I think you are taking sides, your not, your being honest and are tired of innocents getting killed knowing this disease can spread faster when they really go bonkers! Wow, your great dude!
"A know off the top of my head that it was a Greek dude who calculated the circumference of the earth. I'm not going to bother trying to debunk the rest of the list because it's hardly major innovations and nothing recent which is the whole point - they have not progressed and I wonder what has stunted their civilization?
But it occurs to me there is a simpler way of explaining the difference between Christainity and Islam and why one is more dangerous than the other:
Christians believe that god is going to return and destroy the non-believers.
Muslims believe that god wants them to kill the non-believers.
Neither deity exists so both are powerless but that just means that Christians are waiting around for something that is never going to happen. Hardly dangerous and many fill the time doing 'christian works' like treating Ebola, feeding the poor etc... Even going to help people in non-Christian lands - incredibly aid workers go to Muslim countries to help despite the risks.
But the muslim god IS dangerous despite his non-existance because the commandments are for his followers to do all the killing and smiting.
Even the WBC nuts are still just all hot-air and waiting around, just telling people that they will be smited when their god arrives. Not the same as beheading co-workers who won't convert to your own brand of insanity.
One religion is vastly more dangerous and destructive than the other.
One religion is a disease of the mind that stunts civilization and kills."
Simon's Post
Radicals believe you can bring about the 12th Imam by starting a Global Bloodshedding Massacre, is that what ISIS is trying to do, bring about the Return of their lord?
BucketshopBill says:
— if Allah arbitrarily so commands, tomorrow the sun will not rise — makes it impossible to have a Muslim science.
Science, a systematic method of looking at things combining empiricism and logic, developed only in Christianity.
What a bunch of crap!
ROFL!
Google: The golden age of Islamic science
or Ibn al-Haytham
Or where was the first university in the world?
Or Baghdad history
or what have Muslims contributed to science
Confused and alone, I never thought we should get involved with Kuwait, I hated the involvement using Iraq to fight Iran because the Oil Power Brokers wanted to crush Iran for wanting their freedom. ISIS is something that's Meta-Islam, it's spreading fast and that's because something is pouring the fuels of hatred like they did in 1919-1926's great slaughter of the Aremenians.
One upon a time in the United States the majority of Arabs were Christians who fled the slaughtering hands of radicals wanting to do the old ethnic cleaning like Yugoslavia tried with all the Muslims by the Croats, Serbians other two ethnic groups that took the Western powers to stop the killing. The West stepped in to stop the killing by the Serbs, what has the Muslims done to stop the killing of anyone? Christians can blame the wicked actions and say that "Christians were not following Christ's Worlds"
Muslims can't do that can they, actually they are following the Prophet's Word's by killing the Infidels and as Islamic Tradition continues to bring out, Mohammed changed his minds about the "People of the Book" and "Infidels" demanding they need to die before Mohammed died!" Muslims as Supreme Leader Khomenia said "anyone who say's the Muslims is peaceful is a liar and deseres to go to Hell!", he was the most educated Islamic Scholar of the Shitite side of the equation, I take his words over anyone elses because he knew the Quran!
I wonder what has stunted their civilization
Arab civilization flourished from approximately 750 AD until 1258 AD, mainly because this was a time of overall political stability throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. In that way, Arab civilisation was little different from any of the others - before or since. (i.e. While political stability prevailed, commerce, industry, the arts and sciences all prospered).
This was all ended, though, as it always does (no matter what the civilisation) by external invasion.
The 13th Century invasion by the Mongols (particularly the sacking of Baghdad in 1258 AD) proved devastating to the Arab civilisation, and hit it a blow from which it never recovered.
No great mystery in that! (Certainly not to any halfway knowledgable student of history, anyway).
As to Arab contribution to science, historians of science have overall presented a favourable review of Medieval Arabic Science:
- Some, such as Bertrand Russell, regarded their main achievement as being the preservation of knowledge acquired by other peoples. (Even this, alone, was an important contribution - particularly as our lot during those centuries was more inclined to destroy all such records, such as the burning of the books in the great library of Alexandria, in Egypt)
- Others, such as Will Durant, Fielding H. Garrison and Hossein Nasr concluded that the Arab scholars also contributed much towards the development of scientific method and process.
For anybody wanting details of Arab scientific achievements during the golden age of their civilization, the Google link in lisaBOeesa's above post is an excellent place to start.
(Contrary to the claims of some on this thread, the details of what Arabic scholars did contribute to science are easy to find).
Bill.
I decided to watch the Fox video linked in Simon's opening post. (I try to avoid Fox propaganda when possible.) There is no basis at all for the claim about a 'beheading', nor is it confirmed that the man's actions had anything to do with Islam. But of course, in typical Fox style, they make the insinuation anyway.
If you had just delayed your post a little longer you would know that this attack has Islam written all over it.
does this count as a serious enough rebuttal to satisfy the bigots on here?
Bung Bill, even people with great achievemnts can descend into orgies of killings .
To witness the German speakers ( kepler, leibnitz, Mozart, kant---) and their later senseless extermination of their brightest in the Holocaust.
The infiltration by a group of avowed resisters to intregation into a country poses another dangerous situation.
remember the Fort Hood shootings.
