Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease (page 80)

LoveUniHateExams

@Laika - nothing in my posts called Arabs racially inferior or said that I think they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

This has to do with religion and perhaps Arabic cultures. If you think all cultures are of equal merit, you need your head looked at.

Now is the best time in history to keep having a vigorous conversation about the truth about Islam, while the west's military might still defends free speech from a percentage of 1.6 billion who would be perfectly happy to see it done away with. If we lived in an Islamic country, this discussion would have never taken place. Think about it.

Simon

I think that's a good summation of where I think they are positioned too poopsiecake

Comparing moderate muslims to JWs / fundy christians is spot on. I think islam is so extreme that we forget what moderate really means. The people labelled moderate are still obsessive religious believers who are completely irrational. Practices like wearing the hijab just feed and excuse the 'mild etxremism' that permeates the faith.

cofty

Mikado - Please go back and look at my post on the previous page about "psychos, Islamists and conservative" muslims.

All of them are committed to beliefs that have no place in civilised society.

That accounts for millions and millions of Muslims.

JT - The bible, the quran, the sunnah and the hadith are all documents that should be condemned by anybody who cares about human freedom. - Please note I said condemned not banned.

tootired2care

Think about this, if just a very conservative 5% of 1.6 billion believers of Islam are anti-west, and have radical tendencies, and don't intrepret the Qur'an "correctly" that equates to a brainwashed 80,000,000 million member army of death (yes you read that correctly). The U.S. has about 1.4 million active troops by comparison. Nukes, planes, tanks etc. are not the solution to such a grave threat to freedom, they are merely a deterrent. The time to push back and educate is now.

Simon

I don't think that is a sound basis to determine a threat - you could equally apply the same logic to any large group. Although I agree that Islam right now seems to be the best at producing extremists, 80m willing to use violence is too high a number although 'support' may be more arguable.

tootired2care

80m willing to use violence is too high a number.

I sincerely hope you're right! If history has taught us anything though, it's that religion is fully capable of getting man to suspend all logic and reason and kill indiscriminately especially for perceived eternal rewards. I shudder at the prospect of a nuclear armed, and nanotech capable Iran.

erbie

I do believe that the shear length and breadth of this thread has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that which was stated at the outset, namely, that Islam is a disease.

Here, here!

However, I would never endorse the persecution of Islamists in any way but I firmly believe that, for the benefit of the human race and the furtherance of technological and intellectual advancement, the religion itself should and must be eradicated.

Dropping bombs is a good place to start but, ultimately, it can only come about by enlightenment through education.

They say that they hate the west but everything they use; cars, trucks, guns, tanks, buses, phones, computers, binoculars, etc, etc, etc, none of it conceived from Islamist communities. If they hate it, why use it???

Nothing, they have brought nothing in to this world but persecution and hatred...

Therein, I believe, lies the source of their problem: one enormous inferiority complex.

LoveUniHateExams

@erbie

There was an Islamic Golden Age but this ended centuries ago. Why this Golden Age isn't continuing needs to be asked.

It seems that the Islamic world hasn't contributed much of use for centuries.

Slavery was officially abandoned in Saudi Arabia and Yemen in 1962.

tootired2care

This entire site is dedicated to helping to enlighten people about Islam, and is a good start on the education front.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Enlightening_Others_to_Leave_Islam

Also, I didn't realize this, but there are actually a lot of Muslims leaving Islam.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam#News_of_Muslims_Leaving_Islam

This is good news, let's hope this movement continues to grow.

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Sample of the good content found there:

Techniques to get a Muslim less uncomfortable with criticism

Appeal to universal values/open-mindedness—Given that most (or all) religions are false, that most sects within a religion are false, and that most religious authorities follow an incorrect faith, reason is required to determine which religious teachings are false. Many Muslims use reason to criticize other faiths and sects.

Appeal to universal values/respect for all people—Assuming God exists, presumably God created all people. We should therefore respect the views of others. (Islam tends to apriori discredit non-Islamic ideas, which makes it difficult to discuss Islam) .

In various disciplines like Math and Science, it is not sufficient to mention the conclusion; one must list the assumptions and steps leading to that conclusion and subject these steps to peer-review. Encourage Muslims to pursue such an ideal so that their conclusions can convince non-Muslims or even Muslims from different sects.

Work on your own mission of intellectual jihad. This provides an excuse to discuss theological issues and to have heretical material available.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/world/africa/03iht-youth.4.10662930.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all

Interesting article from 2008 that captures the disillusioned feelings that many Iraqi youths were feeling over Islam.

"I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us," said Sara Sami, a high school student in Basra. "Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don't deserve to be rulers."

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"When they behead someone, they say 'Allah Akbar,' they read Koranic verse," said a moderate Shiite sheik from Baghdad. "The young people, they think that is Islam. So Islam is a failure, not only in the students' minds, but also in the community."

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Atheer, a 19-year-old from a poor, heavily Shiite neighborhood in southern Baghdad, said: "The religion men are liars. Young people don't believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore."

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"I used to love Osama Bin Laden," proclaimed a 24-year-old Iraqi college student. She was referring to how she felt before the war took hold in her native Baghdad. The Sept. 11, 2001, strike at American supremacy was satisfying, and the deaths, abstract.

Now, the student recites the familiar complaints: Her college has segregated the security checks; guards told her to stop wearing a revealing skirt; she covers her head for safety.

"Now I hate Islam," she said, sitting in her family's unadorned living room in central Baghdad. "Al Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing."

etc.etc.etc.

So Instead of defending Islam, why not get behind in support of voices of reason such as these? What are you afraid of?

Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

Techniques to get a Muslim less uncomfortable with criticism

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