Why would so many women in dependant of each other do this. He did it.
Bill Cosby - too much smoke for no fire?
by Simon 102 Replies latest social current
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Odrade
Giordano: it is impossible to "have sex with" an unconscious woman. An unconscious person is incapable of consent, therefore any sexual activity with an unconscious person would be at the very least sexual assault.
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Violia
I swear if someone tells me that Captin Kangaroo or Mr. Rogers is/was a pedo I will just never believe anyone ever again. I grew up loving Cosby but I beleive he is guilty. Dear Gawd, please no one say Bob Newhart did this kind of stuff? I let my kids listen to Cosby and Newhart b/c they were so clean. I guess we should not expect comedians to be examples of virture, but we all did.
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LogCon
Simon said , ' I think he's finished now. Apart from the crimes themselves, people don't like a hypocrite who moralises and criticises others while all the while they are pulling crap like that....'
Add to that people who have sisters, mothers, daughters, aunts etc. They imagine these things happening to their loved ones and it really burns them to think about men getting away with it. This is just legal speak, ' ...they are only allegations. Innocent until proven guilty...'
Bunk.
Thousands of 'innocent' individuals are sitting in holding cells right now, awaiting a trial. Why, if they are innocent until proven guilty? Because the charge is serious enough and the evidence sufficient enough to hold them in detention. Numerous women coming forward with the same story, women that do not know each other, and recounting incidents that happened years and miles apart sounds like very damning evidence to me.
Just saying.
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LogCon
Violia said '...I swear if someone tells me that Captin Kangaroo or Mr. Rogers is/was a pedo I will just never believe anyone ever again...'
Don't forget Jeff Smith, Frugal Gourmet. Pedophile.
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ShirleyW
And Jeff Smith was also an ordained priest in the United Methodist Church
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OnTheWayOut
I can say that Bill sure knows how to pick most of his victims. They mostly never managed to report the incidents or get a prosecutor to pursue. I won't call someone who was never even tried in court a rapist. But I kinda think there's too much smoke for no fire.
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Scully
It's very likely that each woman was intimidated into silence - the old "do you really think they're going to believe you? or Dr Huxtable?" and I'm sure his lawyer can be very intimidating if an alleged victim even *thought* about pressing charges. Maybe the victims believed their experiences were anomalies and not part of a predatory pattern of behaviour.
How many women who were sexually abused by Elders™ or Ministerial Servants™ questioned their experiences? It's easy to believe that you are the only person this happened to, that nobody is going to believe you if you say anything or try to stop it. Or worse, blame you somehow for "seducing" a beloved man who is Appointed By Holy Spirit™ - who's going believe you making such allegations against *him*?? A victim is made to feel shame and embarrassment, they are intimidated into silence, and they feel utterly ALONE. Alone, that is, until they realize that they were not alone. That validation, in itself, is liberating. It is reassurance that you aren't crazy, you didn't imagine it, you are NOT lying about what happened, and that it isn't your fault - you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, in the path of a predator in the act of predation.
I'm glad these women are coming forward. They deserve justice, even if it means taking down a once beloved public figure. If he is guilty of the allegations, he doesn't deserve to be a beloved public figure. He deserves public ridicule and jail time if he is guilty. Zero tolerance.
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designs
I think we as xJWs can understand what happens to the victims here. For decades we were told in no uncertain terms to protect the Public persona of the Organization, keep it free from taint. Remember those talks and articles. It made the sexual assaults stay unreported until it just couldn't be swept under the rug anymore.
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Simon
Now imagine that instead of a local elder or MS that it's some internationally known and respected entertainer with lots of money and connections. It's completely understandable why some young, vulnerable woman could / would be intimidated into silence. There seems to be a gap in the law of statute of limitations that doesn't take the specifics of power and celebrity into account sufficiently.
I wonder what his wife thinks? I find it hard to beehive that if these things happened as much as it sounds (which means there could be many more who don't speak out) that someone's wife wouldn't know or have an inkling what was going on.
At some point the 'stand by your man' support looks less commendable and more like an accomplice or at least silent supporter. Heck, my wife knows if I find a waitress attractive - I can't comprehend something of that magnitude in terms of attitude and behavior being completely hidden. If she does know then shame on her.