More Than You "MAY" Know

by QUANTUM 67 Replies latest jw friends

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  QUANTUM

  I thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of GOD verses Secularism / evolution verses creationism. Im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist. My intention is to make as strong of an argument as I can for the existence of a particular GOD, who I believe we all once Knew and may be privileged to know again. If you disagree without giving me a chance then what Ive claimed about many of you in my other posts will be valid.

  From The Books of Jeu

  "In any world as a Yeu becomes a Father in a new world, the Fathers then appoint new Yeus (Jehovahs) for new worlds who in turn will become Fathers. Each Yeu has created for its hosts ten thousand times ten thousand. The farther advanced one is, the faster one moves forward to them that have shall be given...We are passed on from hand to hand, from degree to degree!! Our example is Adam, who, having been established in Christ and God, next established his son Seth in the second order which was to follow Him on up...

  I will teach you all of the ordinances necessary, that you might be purged by degrees and progress in the next life. These things make it possible for you to achieve other places (other topol), but they must be performed in this life. Unless one performs them here, he cannot become a 'Son of Light'. By very definition, the 'Sons of Light' are those that are perfect in the ordinances...these ordinances are very secret...'Sons of Light' in whatever age they lived, and they receive whatever they desire, they are those upon the right hand of the Father, for it is by their faithfulness in these things that they show they are worthy to return and inherit the kingdom. Without the ordinances, therefore, there is no foothold or foundation to anything in this life... If you want to go to the Father you must pass through the veil

  At this sign the angels move the veil aside and you enter into the presence of the Father who gives you his name and seal ... The world is a system of veils or vestments each a room of the Temple. Man is organized on the same principle. There is a place from which all worlds take their origin and prototype a place of shadowless light and indescribable joy... and there is a veil between the worlds Above the veil are the heavens .The Firmament is equipped with veils and gates that are guarded far removed from the world in which men dwell."

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  "Enoch went to the Lord who taught him all about the creation and his works . He saw matter unorganized before the creation council in Heaven. He saw Satan aspire and get cast out to become the foundation of lower things, beyond which there is great darkness and nothing. And the Lord said 'And now Enoch all that I have explained to thee and all thou has seen on Earth and all thou hast written in thy books .It is my wisdom that I have organized and made all these things and it was by my word that it was carried out,

  ..... And every thing found in the world has been before and has passed

  before him and has been organized before him ...AII the creations Of the World have existed in each generation before they came to this world .All the souls of the children of men have been before they came down to the world formed before him in Heaven in the very likeness that they have in this world ...For all souls are prepared to eternity before the formation of the world .

  And the Angel said to Enoch sit down and write All of the spirits of men and those who have not yet been born yet, the places which have been prepared for them . All things were prepared since before the foundation of the world" 2 Enoch 9:

  (first post on this subject)

  QUANTUM
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  QUANTUM

  Enoch answered the people saying hear my children ,before anything was and before the whole creation took place, the Lord established the age of creation; and after that he made all of the creation both visible and invisible and after that he created man in his own image. He gave him eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to think with and a mind to council. I swear to you my children that before man was in the womb of his mother we were prepared, each individual and a place for each spirit that each should sojourn here in his proper time, that man might be tested in the balance ..." 2 Enoch 17:

  " Enoch went to the Lord who taught him all about creation and his works... He saw matter unorganized before the creation...the council in heaven... He saw Satan aspire and get cast out to become the foundation of lower things, beyond which there ii great darkness and nothing"

  2 Enoch 11:

  " Then the angel Braboil said: Sit down and write all the spirits of men, all those who have not been born yet, and the places which have been prepared for them. All these things were prepared since before the foundation of the world. And I wrote down all the affairs of men. Secrets of Enoch 10: (Vaillant)

  "And everything which is found in this world has been before, and has passed before him and has been arranged [organized] before Him . . . all the creations of the world which have existed in each generation, before they came into this world, have existed before Him in their true form, even all the souls of the children of man have been before they came down to the world, have all been formed before Him in heaven in the very likeness that they have in this world." Zohar III:61

  "When an ancient spirit is about to come down . . . to that region which they call the kingdom of Adam, that Archon who is at the head of the place gives the preexistent soul a cup of forgetfulness..."

  Pistis Sophia

  "For the worlds exist, so that intelligent spirits might come and inhabit them...There are many mansions, degrees, and worlds, and they all have but one law.If you keep the law you too can become a creator of worlds." 2 Coptic Gnostic Work

  "As he left Heaven to come down and undergo his earthly trials, Adam recelved affectionate farewell embraces from all his faithful children. He put on his physical body and went forth to oppose the primal enemy. Before the creation of this world, the third Sent One (as Adam is called) came into the free space and began to organize this world." Berlin Papyrus 8502
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  Marilyn

  I've never read any of your posts before. What religion do you represent. A simple answer will suffice.

  Marilyn
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  Satanus

  Maralyn

  I think quantum must have gotten stuck in a time warp. It transported him 1800 yrs into the future. It's gnosticism, probably christian, of the first three centuries. I think it's an offshoot from zerostrianism. It's sort of a wierd 'science' attempting to explain the world the way it was percieved back then. There are gnostic churches growing again, now. They use the 2 enoch books and the nag hammadi. Christianity is stirred in to taste.

  SS
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  Satanus

  Gnostic comes from the word gnosis, meaning knowledge. So quantum thinks he's smart.
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  Marilyn

  SS, thanx for the explanation. It sounds way to complicated for my simple mind.

  Marilyn
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  QUANTUM

  Keep guessing cause' you're not even close!

  What do the constellations say about the scriptures. Can they be a witness for GOD?

  The Book of Enoch declares that an angel revealed to Enoch how to draw the constellations and scientific research confirms that the figures are old enough for that to be true. The purpose here is to testify that the constellations bear record of the gospel and mission of Jesus Christ and, in fact, that "the heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handywork" (Psa. 19:1).

  Nearly all ancient nations, including the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians, attributed the constellations to a divine source. The Hebrews, Persians and Arabs attributed them to the antediluvian patriarchs such as Adam, Seth and Enoch. Modern astronomy confirms that the figures most likely originated about 2900 B.C., which is approximately when Enoch lived.[1]

  The Lord told Moses that the stars are "signs" (Gen. 1:14). The word "sign" in English has the same multiple meanings as the Hebrew and Greek words from which it is translated in the Bible, such as token, miracle, or warning. All of the meanings seem to stem from the idea of a token: something that represents or reminds one of something else. It is important to note that the constellations are also called "signs," and often it is not obvious to a translator that a constellation is sometimes indicated by sacred writings. We can begin to explore the evidence that the constellations were indeed revealed to Enoch and that they tell the story of Jesus Christ with imagery nearly identical to that used by the later prophets of God in the scriptures.
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  Dawn

  Quantum - are you Mormon? My Mormon friend has told me a few of her beliefs which sound similar to your post.
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  Satanus

  Q

  Some quotes are from gnostic scriptures. BTW, i found where you cut and pasted that stuff from, here http://essenes.crosswinds.net/Preex.htm

  Hahahaha What a jokster!!! Ain't the net great? You can cut any old crap, paste it all together on a page, and presto, instant shit.

  SS
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  QUANTUM

  ss

  Don't be so smug...That is not where I am getting this from but I will say that if good old Glen is quoting from THE BOOK OF ENOCH then what does it matter. That information does not invalidate what is being developed here. I may choose to quote the Bible...will you then go to a web site that the Bible is on and call foul. I think you need to grow up a little and see if you can follow this reasoning. Now let us review some references to the constellations in a variety of sacred writings.

  The Bible. Consider the following scripture and ask yourself just what it means.

  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
  Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
  Without speech nor language their voice is heard.
  Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. Psalms 19:1-4

  If all we had were the first line, we might conclude that it simply means that a dark star-filled sky can be an awe-inspiring sight that reminds us of the vastness of God's work. But the other lines seem to be saying much more than that. The words "declare," "show," "uttereth speech," "voice," and "words," apparently mean that the heavens literally declare the glory of God, and in a way that has gone out to all the world. But how?

  This article suggests that the scripture be taken literally: The heavens show the constellations, which declare God's glory by telling the story of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Without speech or language their message has gone out through all the earth. The story has been misunderstood and sometimes the stars themselves have even been worshipped, but nearly every ancient nation believed that the constellations were inspired.

  The Bible contains both direct and indirect references to the constellations. For example, the Lord dignifies the constellations by referring to several of them by name:

  "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
  Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?
  or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?" Job 38:31-32

  The Pleiades, Orion, Mazzaroth, and Arcturus all refer to constellations, which the Lord includes among his creations. As such, he could simply be saying that he created the stars, as in Job 9:9 and Amos 5:8, even though they also mention specific constellations. But other scriptures suggest that he had a hand in the formation of the figures themselves. For example, Job says,

  By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. Job 26:13

  A comparison of this verse to the rest of this chapter shows that Job is using the familiar Hebrew writing form of parallelism, in which the second half of the sentence repeats what the first half said using different words. The first part says that the Lord's spirit has "garnished," or beautified, the heavens. Then he names a constellation, "the crooked serpent" in the second half, apparently as an example of the Lord's work. If so, it implies that it was the Lord's Spirit which inspired the constellations.

  QUANTUM