More Than You "MAY" Know

by QUANTUM 67 Replies latest jw friends

  • QUANTUM
    QUANTUM

    eh frankie.....is that whats your mammy calls ya. has I said something ta upsets ya ..frankie boy? sounds like you are harboring some sort of a grudge. frankie, you may have some limited talents at writing, but you ideas are all mixed up. surely, that big bad school you teach at would be ashamed of your denigration of other points of view or knowledge in general even if it doesn't agree with your very biased perceptions. Your picture looks like you're fairly intellegent but I guess thats why they say "looks can be deceiving".

    QUANTUM!

    Edited by - QUANTUM on 10 July 2002 13:17:43

  • Francois
    Francois

    I don't teach, MORON. I write for a living...as in "writes circles around yo' ass."

  • QUANTUM
    QUANTUM

    fransis, where can I find some of your published works?

    Q

  • QUANTUM
    QUANTUM

    The Lion and Unicorn Testify of Christ,The Cornerstone Constellations

    The four "cornerstone" constellations, which date back to the Prophet Enoch, correspond to the four faces of the cherubim and the four principal tribes of Israel. Their symbols of the lion, eagle/serpent, man and wild ox (unicorn) are emblazoned on family coats of arms and the banners of nations. But most importantly, each testifies of a different aspect of the life of Jesus Christ.

    The Prophet Enoch over 5,000 years ago testified of antediluvian knowledge of the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Now let us focus on four of the most important constellations, and their four bright "royal stars."

    The Four Royal Stars Several ancient cultures designated four bright stars in the zodiac as the "four corners of the earth" or the "four royal stars." At the time the constellations were drawn by Enoch, these four stars were near the sun's location in the heavens on the first day of autumn, winter, spring and summer, and were thus in four of the most important locations in the sky. The identity of these four stars is well known because there are, in fact, four bright stars which fit these requirements admirably. First, the star Antares is a bright red star, which anciently marked the autumnal equinox, that is, the place in the sky where the sun appears on the first day of autumn. The next star in the sequence is Fomalhaut, which is also a bright star, marking winter. The next star is Aldebaran, another very bright red star located 180.0 around the ecliptic (the apparent path of the sun through the stars) from Antares. Thus, it precisely marked the spring equinox when Antares marked the autumn. Finally, the bright star Regulus, located almost exactly on the ecliptic, marked summer. Regulus, meaning "the Prince," was traditionally the leader of these four royal stars.

    Each of the four royal stars is in one constellation of the zodiac, which is the circle of twelve constellations around the ecliptic. Antares is located at the heart of the Scorpion (Scorpius). Fomalhaut is located at the end of the rivers of water being poured out by the Water Bearer (Aquarius). Aldebaran is located at the eye of the Bull (Taurus). Finally, Regulus is located at the heart of the Lion (Leo), which is the king of the constellations, even as the lion is called the king of beasts. These are called the four cornerstone constellations in this article because they form the corners of a great square in the sky and also provide a foundation for understanding gospel symbolism.

    Two of the royal stars are listed by the ancients as being shared by two constellations. Antares is not only the heart of the scorpion, it is also the heel of the Serpent Bearer (Ophiuchus), who was encircled by a great serpent (Serpens) and who is stepping on the body and head of the Scorpion. Fomalhaut is not only in the stream of the Water Bearer, it is also in the Head of the Southern Fish (Piscis Australis).

    In the case of the Scorpion/Serpent pair, there is a third constellation which is very closely associated with them. It is the Eagle (Aquila), which is located near the tail of the Serpent. The Eagle has been considered to typify the enemy of the serpent and is often shown holding the Serpent in its claws, even as the Serpent Bearer is crushing the Scorpion.

    The Four Cornerstone Constellations
    Four Faces of the Cherubim.

    Both Ezekiel and John the Revelator describe creatures which correspond to the four cornerstone constellations. Ezekiel describes creatures with four faces: the face of a lion, of an ox, of a man and of an eagle, and later identifies them as cherubim (Ezek. 1:10, 10:14, 20-22). The first three of those forms correspond to the Lion, the Bull, and the Water Bearer constellations. The fourth apparently corresponds to the Eagle, the constellation which is often substituted for the serpent/scorpion when symbolizing the celestial aspect of the fourth cornerstone.

    John the Revelator also describes four creatures, each of which is found on one side of the throne of God. One was like a lion, one like a calf, one like a man, and one like a flying eagle (Rev. 4:7). Here again we find the same four creatures which correspond to those four constellations, in this case given in the reverse order as they are found in the zodiac, which puts the leader first. The fact that these four symbols are found in a heavenly vision of the throne of God is strong corroboration of the claim in the Book of Enoch that an angel revealed the figures of the constellations to the Prophet Enoch.

    Q!

  • Valis
    Valis

    So Quantum, did you pull all that shit out of Jehovah's canal? First of all you state the ancients attibuted the stars to some deity or another...fine, mythology has always been the vehicle for explaining scientific fact. It explains nothing, except ancient reassurances to any given populous that there was no need to pee in your pants every time a natural occurence of large magnitude happened. "That's just Dog doing his thing...be nice and worship him or the next eclipse just might be the real deal.." Look at the early Catholic church and how long it took them to apollogize for treating Copernicus like a heretic. You can quote whatever you want, but as Bertrand Russell once told aspiring philosophers at Cambridge, "One cannot speak of that which doesn't exist." All the looney suppositions you are purporting are just that. The vauge meanderings of religious freaks who had no faith in reason. If that's what you call significant and of import then I feel for you. Too bad L.Ron Hubbard isn't around any longer. You guys would have gotten along famously.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • QUANTUM
    QUANTUM

    valis, are you and some of the other rapscallions finding it difficult to concentrate today. Has genuine scholarship scared your trivial pursuites of logic and suedo philosophies into scampering for the nearest darkened hiding place, where you can all feel warm and secure as mutual guardians of fear. Where your ideas reside under the same leaky umbrella of narrowmindedness.

    Q.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Quantum:

    The book of Mormon talks of Kings and Kingdoms in the New World. It talks of Arom and all of these fantastic battles-----lets not forget chopping the arms off all the kings guards!!

    The problem is that no evidence of any of these kingdoms or cultures exists. You can go to Isreal and find the ancient cities that are described in the Bible. Where are your precious cities??? Where are the decendents of these marvolous cultures?? PLEASE dont say they are the American Indians. Why is that the American Indians have no knowledge of all of these 'Kingdoms?' The Book of Mormon is a fairy tale with not ONE thread of proof to support it! Unless you have found the gold plates? Have you?? I could make up my own book and call it the Cult of Crazy and it would be the same balony.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Oh please tell us how we are all former angels, how we will become our own gods, and please explain how minorities were not allowed in the church pre 1975 becuase they bore the mark of Cain.

    Oh and please do this by quoting the Bible only. We dont believe in the book of mormon so dont quote it to support your nonsense.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    My intention is to make as strong of an argument as I can for the existence of a particular GOD, who I believe we all once Knew and may be privileged to know again. If you disagree without giving me a chance then what Ive claimed about many of you in my other posts will be valid.

    OK, here's your chance. Make your argument. (FYI, an argument does not consist of copying and pasting hodghepodge fragments of esoteric mythology.)

    Presumably, if we give you a chance, then what you've claimed will be invalid? Will you be apologising?

  • Valis
    Valis

    QUANTUM, I don't find it hard to concentrate. Simply put, I don't consider all the crap you have posted to be a serious scholarly effort. I have no fear of the unknown, but a healthy fear of religious collusion and the irritating attempts to find what cannot be found outside the context of human writings or science for that matter. So you think Bertrand Russell's work is psuedo philosophy? Please see what he had to say about religion below...some good quotes, and also notice that there is no cut and paste. Its easy to find sources and slop them into an obnoxiously long post about nada. I prefer to keep it short and sweet. Get off it chief!

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

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