Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel? (page 6)

Rattigan350

Vanhoven7 said
"I am more and more convinced that JWs do not believe the Bible.

Acts 2: 38-39 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"

You are correct. Matt 28:19 says to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy spirit. But just 10 days later Peter was saying to baptize in the name of Jesus and he left off the Father and holy spirit. So I don't believe that Matt 28:19 says to baptize in the trinity.

Rattigan350

KerryKing,

The reason that Jesus died was to fulfill the prophesies.

Rattigan350

"In the Lord's Prayer though, Jesus does not end with 'through Jesus Christ Amen', he doesn't even mention himself once in that prayer."

Well, it would be lame if he did.

But he later teaches that you approach his Father through him.

Rattigan350

Vanderhove7:

"Yet eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses still tend to address God somewhat remotely as "Jehovah God". My take is that because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not know or relate to Jesus they do not understand or appreciate God as their Father."

Well, that is his name. But how do you know what 8 million JWs address God? Jesus addressed Jehovah as his Father because he was. Jehovah is not our father until the end of the 1000 years when everyone alive will be adopted as sons of God.

"Eight million JWs do not personally know Jesus Christ. The extent of their "relationship" with Jesus is tacking on his name at the end of their prayers. He is not their Saviour or even their Mediator."

What is there to personally know about Jesus? Jesus is our savior and he is the mediator of the new covenant with the 144,000.

slimboyfat

I don’t need to give you any evidence for angels any more than you need to give me evidence against them. If you don’t think angels exist nobody is compelling you to discuss them as if they do.

Rattigan350

Jeffro said "The story in Genesis doesn’t say anything at all about the snake being Satan, and doesn’t mention Jesus at all."

Genesis does not mention a snake. It was a serpent.

Rev 12:9 "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devill and Satan"

Revelation ties them all together.

Also, it is well known and accepted that Jesus is that seed.

Vanderhoven7

@rattigan

((What is there to personally know about Jesus?))

What is there to know personally about Jehovah?

Can a person legitimately say they know Jehovah if they have never communicated with Him?

Vanderhoven7

@rattigan

((The reason that Jesus died was to fulfill the prophesies.))

Certainly prophecy was fulfilled at the cross. But His death on Cavalry was an absolute necessity for our salvation. If there was any other way to save mankind, God would have answered Christ's Gethsemane prayer with 10 legions of angels.

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53

Good to know our salvation wad never in jeopardy.

Duran

If there was any other way to save mankind,

Save mankind from what?

an absolute necessity for our salvation

Will any who lived and died before Jesus died, will any of them be resurrected?

peacefulpete

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