This is why I'm Disappointed....

by Nickey 80 Replies latest jw friends

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Nickey, your post was very thoughtful.

    There are threads that do make me wince at times. There's some that make me think 'well, there goes our credibility', although one or two threads shouldn't really mean that the whole board is lacking credibility or maturity, and I don't think that's the case.

    I would send a jw here, but I'd be inclinded to 'hold their hand' a bit and guide them if at all possible. I think there are certain caveats, but I think that's the case in many areas of life. In fact, one problem and sad fact for people on the opposite end, that is, those thinking about becoming jws, are never really told what they are getting into, until the usually find out too late.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    I concur that there are better sites to do research on. Kent's site is probably the best, it has it all and well organized and written, and I might send my mom there someday.

    This forum is for people to share their feelings and events - to talk. Not everything that is said will be nice, and if somebody just wandered in to some of hte conversations I've had with fleshpeople might be offended. For instance, I would never discuss my marijuana use with my mother - the problem with the forum is that my mother could conceivably look up my conversation and then bother me about it.

    This site is for talking and healing and debating and bitching and moaning and griping and sniping and laughing and mocking and screaming. Newbies can come and enjoy our wit, if they want, and can try to post defending their faith, but this is a very intense group with a long history of anger and repression, so we will probably try to nicely frappe their beliefs. Like Scholar vs. Alan F. Ever go through some of Fred Hall's old posts? Sometimes newbies aren't so nice to US! Sometimes they drop in like Elijah and try to condemn all of us and wear sackcloth and ashes and cook their food on poop in the public squares - no wonder we tend to mock them. They have grandiose notions, delusions of being central to the universe, and we can't accept that.

    Conversation in two dimensions. No depth and no time...

    CZAR

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Nickey!!!Enjoyed your post . I am guilty of behaving foolishly on here. You have expressed your feelings & I thank you.I will have to remember your advice. But I think as JWs we were so judgemental, self rightous, ( Or I was) Now at my age 76 & spending half of my life "pressing people into service to a false prophet" 10 actully !! I LOVE JWS... I picket Brooklyn - Skydome! not to cause a disturbance-but to help slaves excape to freedom. My placard says "You are studying the scriptures because you think by them you will have everlasting life yet you refused to come to ME= Jesus"Or the "Work of God is to believe in the one HE sent =Jesus" 1st let me say thanks. for the reminder. I do get carried away with some of my "supposed" to be funny answers. But I feel so many on here lose the faith after the Watch Tower finishes with them .I mistakenly think a laugh might help them on their day....I was kicked out & lost part of my family by that LOVING organization..... Why I couldnt believe Jesus came invisably in 1914.... I will not post "rude" answers again....

  • flower
    flower

    Grace you are wonderful just the way you are..dont change for anyone. If anyone has taken offense to something you said the problem is with them not you.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Well thank you flower. But I have put some dumb stuff up sometimes.....!!!!I feel Nickey has a point..... Your sweet to "cover" for me. But I think my friend( who you dont believe in) has given me a slap on the wrist.....I think Nickey has gone through the mill. She said because she is a she! ( I have been there also) because she is black( My Grandkids have cried about some of the hurts they have had to endure- because they are black..And because she sounds like a JW.....I think it was a gutsy thread. I liked the responses also...Shows that the Borg didnt take ALL our brains ....( most of mine lol

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Jim:

    This is one of the best threads I've read in some time. I appreciate the thoughtfulness of the participants in this thread, and in keeping the discussion civil. Thank you especially, Nickey, for starting this thread.

    I agree! This thread is, imo, a sterling example of the kind of productive discussion/debate that helps us all sit back in our chairs and really think.

    For myself, I'm learning a lot about the nature of the db environment. I make/take every post here as if I was talking personally with someone, and as a result may sometimes over-react and lock a thread (even if only temporarily) because I "feel" that harm is being done. However, as many folks have reminded me, this is an open db and whatever we post is, at least technically, "fair game."

    What a balancing act! Sensitivity and civility and personal concern and harsh honesty and sheer stupidity, sometimes all mixed up in the same topic.

    I sincerely hope that anybody who's been hurt or offended can make allowance for "I disagree with the action taken, but the motive was good."

    Craig

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    bttp

  • Panda
    Panda

    Nickey, Your post is echoing some of my own sentiments. But, I thought it was because I'm getting old and don't appreciate pranks. So your seriousness is not unfounded. I first went to Timothy Campbell's web site and found that searching topics on my own allowed me the solitude I needed. Not everyone wants that, so they come to forums like this one "to talk it out," and sometimes joking is their release after recognizing they've been duped for many many years.

    A lot of the joking is done by young guys still in their 20s. It's very normal, so while I don't care for the pranks (well maybe I like some) I'm glad these guys are able to be real and not automotons. Hugs from Panda

  • Simon
    Simon

    This forum is a community and as such, how people behave here is to a certain extent a reflection of the community.

    We can ask people to be nice. We can suggest people don't say unkind remarks. Ultimately though, we need people to cooperate.

    If we were to go editing every cross word, insult or sideways remark, we would be branded as being heavy handed. We don't want to do this. Instead we rely on common sense and people responding to polite requests. Doing this though takes time and so comments *may* appear to be allowed even when something is being done about them.

    One thing that we do need (given that there are typically between 1,000 and 1,500 posts a day) is for people to point things out to us. If someone is being aggressive or unpleasant to someone then let us know and that way, we can try and do something about it while it's happening. I'm working on a moderator alert feature to make this easier.

    Finally, everyone has different standards so yes, someone will find a joke hillarious and someone else may be highly offended. We need to keep this in mind both when we are posting (something that *may* be offensive to some) and when we're reading and perhaps try to be a little more tollerant and forgiving. Don't forget too that there is an incredible mix of age, race, nationality, culture, social background etc... so there will be misunderstandings.

    The community we have is something really special because there are some very special people here. We can always make it better if we work together.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    AMEN to simon.... I will try to abide ......

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