Powell admits Iraq evidence mistake

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  Realist

  blacksheep,

  Oh really? How are you measuring ?fiscal record??

  are you talking to me or to Gene Sperling ?

  fiscal record - if i am not greatly mistaken - refers to budget and overall deficit of the state. this has by itself nothing to do with how the economy is doing or what people think of the economy.

  also isn't the NYTimes one of the most highly valuated news papers in the world (even if it is central to left wing)?

  Also keep in mind the technology bubble, and the inflated reported earnings of major corporations that appeared to boost the market, but in actuality was based on lies and subsequent scandals.

  here i have to abslutely agree with you! clinton was just lucky that this buuble fell in his legacy. but whether bushs strategy for reviving the economy is good or not is debateable. real experts are arguing about this.

  by the way ...yes i read the entire article and see both sides of the argument. my main issue with bus is still his foreign politics not his domestic issues.

  But as usual, the NYT puts there own spin on reality.

  or you don't want to see the true reality

  Last week, an important factory index showed a high level of hiring, and output is at 20-year highs. High productivity growth has kept American manufacturers competitive, even in the face of low-wage competition.

  if you read carefully the two newspapers do not necessarily disagree. the wall street journal refers only to hireing and does not mention how many people were fired at the same time. the NYTimes looks at the net job gain which appears to be zero.
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  SixofNine

  prophetic words from wes clark before the senate armed services committe 9/23/2002: GEN. CLARK: Yes, sir. I think that there is a substantial risk in the aftermath of the operation that we could end up with a problem which is more intractable than we have today.
  
  One thing we're pretty clear on is that Saddam has a very effective police state apparatus. He doesn't allow challenges to his authority inside that state. When we go in there with a transitional government and a military occupation of some indefinite duration, it's also very likely that if there is an effective al Qaeda left -- and there certainly will be an effective organization of extremists -- they will pour into that country because they must compete for the Iraqi people; the Wahabes with the Sunnis, the Shi'as from Iran working with the Shi'a population. So it's not beyond consideration that we would have a radicalized state, even under a U.S. occupation in the aftermath.
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  gumby

  No fair posting the same thing twice sixer....I'm watching you buddy.

  Gumby
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  plmkrzy

  So it's not beyond consideration that we would have a radicalized state, even under a U.S. occupation in the aftermath.
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  blacksheep

  fiscal record - if i am not greatly mistaken - refers to budget and overall deficit of the state. this has by itself nothing to do with how the economy is doing or what people think of the economy.

  Hmm...guess I got the wrong impression by your lengthy quotation from the NYT, which was all about jobs and the economy. So which is it? The budget/deficit or how the economy is doing? And you seem to be out in left field with the comment "what people think of the economy." The inflation/unemployment rates are facts, not subject to subjective interpretation. Also, the state/fed budget ARE tied to the overal economic picture. Bigger national debt does NOT in and of itself that the economy is "bad"; in fact, if you read the principles of macroeconmics and interrelationships of the economy to the fed budget, you'd see that the national debt, given the current ecom. situation is quite normal.

  also isn't the NYTimes one of the most highly valuated news papers in the world (even if it is central to left wing"

  "highly valuated," by whom, exactly? It is well known for its liberal bias; it's editor in chief had to resign because he ignored all signs indicating one of his reporters consistently lied, plagiarized, and basically made stuff up. The reporter happened to be an African American. The liberal NYT wanted to do everything in their power to demonstrate how people of color could make it up the ranks. Unfortunately, they unabashedly compromised their integrity.

  They lost a lot of whatever respect they once enjoyed. I'd suggest you branch out and read other newspapers in addition to the NYT.
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  blacksheep

  One thing we're pretty clear on is that Saddam has a very effective police state apparatus. He doesn't allow challenges to his authority inside that state. When we go in there with a transitional government and a military occupation of some indefinite duration, it's also very likely that if there is an effective al Qaeda left -- and there certainly will be an effective organization of extremists -- they will pour into that country because they must compete for the Iraqi people; the Wahabes with the Sunnis, the Shi'as from Iran working with the Shi'a population. So it's not beyond consideration that we would have a radicalized state, even under a

  Yes, thanks Sherlock. The Arab world has consistently been unstable and characterized by terrorist extremists. However people try to separate Al Queda from , they are intimately tied : radical Islamofacsists who hate the Americans, Jews, and the entire Western world are united. They hate the fact that Saddam was overthrown. One point for the ; one lost for terrorist extremists who support totalitarian governments.

  Not exactly prophetic. Al Queda?s response to what happened in simply points to the terrorist connections that Bush has suggested all along.
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  ThiChi

  Realist!! Good to hear from you.... ""a politician would NOT lie to them"" Powell is not a politician. He was appointed. He has served honorably, and I see no cause to believe he lied to us about Iraq... Remember this Clinton quote from 1998: "If Saddam Hussein fails to comply and we fail to act or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop his program of weapons of mass destruction...he will then conclude that he can go right on doing more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction.... Some way, someday, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal." Do any of those words sound like Clinton thinks Saddam doesn't have an arsenal?
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  ThiChi

  
  
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  plmkrzy

  what the hell are you smoking lately??? they KNOW a politician would NOT lie to them??? HELLO!!! on what planet are you ????

  Powell is not a politician. He was appointed. He has served honorably, and I see no cause to believe he lied to us about Iraq...

  Powell has earned a great deal of respect in this country and try as hard as I may, I can't think of one person I know who doesn't like him and trust him and perhaps even wish he were president.
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  blacksheep

  Do any of those words sound like Clinton thinks Saddam doesn't have an arsenal

  Are you looking for a particular word? "Is" might be the word the dems are looking for. Seems like it has a fluid interpretation. That might shed some light on Clinton's position (outside of the oval office, that is).