by Thunder Rider 127 Replies latest social current
rev,
i agree 100 % with all you said. rumsfeld etc. are not operating in a vacuum. they have people standing behind them as well. several lobbies come to mind.
regarding bush...i usually don't call leading politicians idiots because usually they aren't. but this guy definately is not exactly the brightest star on the sky.
Did anyone mention why the US can't play hardball with the Saudis regarding terrorism? Check out where their money is.
This a mess.
Regarding you proud assertion that there was absolutely NO connection between Iraq/Saddam/911, todays WSJ addresses just that. Deroy Murdock, Sr. Fellow at Atlas Econmic Research writes this:
i noted that you did not post anything regarding 9/11 though.
Yes, oh all-knowing one, I did pop into the conversation as you, again, proudly claim there was NO IRAQ/SADDAM/911 connection. By Iraq, I mean SADAAM'S Iraq, his regime. Who he and his country/diplomats support, given haven to, and who work with other terrorist groups to target the US.
Again, YOU never provided the "proof postive" that the Prague meetings never took place. As though that's the only datapoint which would clearly show a link between Saddam's Iraq and actions against the US, INCLUDING 9/11.
Not only did you NOT provide the links to show, without a shadow of a doubt, that the Prague meetings took place, but you fail to see any reaonsable connection to the details in the WSJ I posted today to the FACT that Iraq was involved in anti-US terrorism. Thank goodness that in the war on terror, people are thinking are broadly.
Did anyone mention why the US can't play hardball with the Saudis regarding terrorism? Check out where their money is.This a mess.
I did. Something anyway.
How 'bout this? Stop buying oil from the Saudi's, who bankrolled Al-Queda, implement biodiesel for trucking, shipping, etc., all things that use diesel, IMMEDIATELY! We have the technology NOW!! Open up Alaska for drilling. Sorry, it sux, but we'll have to use less and less if we use biodiesel, other technologies, etc. MOST of the gas we use in this country is diesel, passenger cars don't compare to the gas we use for shipping, etc. Biodiesel is comprised of about 19 parts vegatable oil to one part diesel. It costs about 37 cents a gallon. Screw Saudi Arabi. Also, freeze their bank accts. Yes, lot's of terrorism came from Iran after doing this. Now they are poor, however, and you almost never hear about it from them. Don't bomb them back to the stone age, take away their source of income. Say, hey, any country in the middle east that supports muslim extremism? YOUR FIRED!!!!
regarding bush...i usually don't call leading politicians idiots because usually they aren't. but this guy definately is not exactly the brightest star on the sky.
I think the worst part is his inability to perform an eloquent speech. I think it makes him appear less intelligent than he is. Maybe we're looking at him in a mirror, lol. If you ask me, Ross Perot appeared to be a complete idiot, but in reality he is the complete opposite. That's the case with alot of people. I think he's doing just fine, but like I said, it's just one man's opinion. Rev
black,
i think you confuse what you think i said with what i actually say. follow your 3 stages:
1. first we have my statement that hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. fine.
Yes, oh all-knowing one, I did pop into the conversation as you, again, proudly claim there was NO IRAQ/SADDAM/911 connection.
2. then you use the term INCLUDING which makes the subject already broader...remember i was talking merely about 9/11.
As though that's the only datapoint which would clearly show a link between Saddam's Iraq and actions against the US, INCLUDING 9/11.
3. now you elegantly switch to general anti US terrorism. something i never talked about in this discussion.
you fail to see any reaonsable connection to the details in the WSJ I posted today to the FACT that Iraq was involved in anti-US terrorism.
you need to focus!
back to the real issue.
this link is from the BBC. if you say this is also not trustworthy and distorting facts than i have to say i wasted already too much time (or do you speak german by any chance? have a couple of nice links there). it pretty much addresses all the points in your post about connections between hussein and al-quaeda.
besides that i want to say again that it is BUSH respectively you who has to show hard evidence not ME or IRAQ showing that the imaginary links between hussein and al-quaeda do not exist. you should know that if you ever watched matlock or any other law movie.
"Mohamed Atta in Prague":
For a long time it was claimed that the leader of the 11 September hijackers, Mohamed Atta, had met an Iraqi agent in Prague in April, 2001.
This originated from a report by the Czech authorities.
After an investigation, the Czech President Vaclav Havel concluded that the report could not be substantiated.
Al-Qaeda man seeks medical treatment in Baghdad":
American claims of a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda rest heavily on reports that a Jordanian member of al-Qaeda, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, sought and received medical treatment in Baghdad after being injured in the fighting in Afghanistan.
 There were claims that 11 September attacker Mohamed Atta met Iraqi agents |
There is not any evidence, nor is it claimed, that Mr Zarqawi received anything other than medical treatment in Iraq.
"Al-Qaeda in northern Iraq":
There have been widespread reports that al-Qaeda members have found refuge in northern Iraq. These relate to a group called Ansar al-Islam (Partisans of Islam) which has taken over a small area near the Iranian border.
This part of Iraq, however, is in Kurdish hands and outside the direct control of the Iraqi Government.
Iraq is said by defectors linked to Iraqi opposition groups to have had contacts with the group.
First World Trade Centre attack:
There have been claims that Ramzi Yousef, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, escaped from New York on a false passport provided by Iraqi intelligence. By its nature, this claim is impossible to prove, or disprove.
rev,
i agree. maybe he is not that stupid. but his speeches are a nightmare and his jokes oh my god!
have you heard his telefone conversation with giuliani a couple of days after 9/11? this was a free conversation ...not a prepared speech. he was not able to say one continuous sentence.
and his prepresidential record including his university grades are not that convincing either.
this link is from the BBC. if you say this is also not trustworthy and distorting facts than i have to say i wasted already too much time
Ah, the BBC "being trustworthy" and "not distorting the facts" on this issue. That IS a joke. I guess from someone who thinks the NYT isn't biased, it's just part of the same naive pattern you have in lapping up the creative stories circulated on this issue.
And, I feel I'VE wasted a lot of time already.
Yes, go ahead and believe the Iraq/Sadaam loved the US; would not be invovled in any terror acts against them, would never think of harming innocent US citizens because they hated them. It's much nicer that way, I'm sure.
i agree. maybe he is not that stupid. but his speeches are a nightmare and his jokes oh my god!
Oh, yes, GREAT things to evaluate the efficacy of a president. You're liberal elitist-wanna be, TRUE feelings are showing.
Oh, and do, let's look at GPA! Gore's were actually WORSE. As if that's any reasonable means of judging a LEADER. I bet you love Carter: he had a PHd in nuclear physics. Too bad he was a disaster as a leader.
Oh, and do, let's look at GPA! Gore's were actually WORSE. As if that's any reasonable means of judging a LEADER. I bet you love Carter: he had a PHd in nuclear physics. Too bad he was a disaster as a leader.
yes, but he is one of the greatest men who will ever walk this great earth...
