?and his prepresidential record including his university grades are not that convincing either.?
Just to help you with your memory lapses, Real. Those are your words, above. So, are university grades important, or NOT??
Take George out of the equation.
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Realist
black,
stating that hussein could launch WMDs within 45 min was not sexing things up?
regarding my comment:
i would prefer an intelligent educated person as president instead of a mental midget who knows nothing about the economy, foreign politics etc.
interesting that you assumed i was talking about bush! definitively a freudian mistake!
It was you who mentioned Bush?s grades. Now you say they?re not important.(?) Stick to your story. Secondly, a Harvard MBA IS considered educated. A Harvard MBA is obviously not a mental midged. For someone who knows nothing about the economy, funny how well his economic policies are working.
grades in certain subjects do indicate how intelligent a person is. nevertheless it is not important for a persident to have good grades as long as he is intelligent and does know enough about things to run the show. the more he knows and the more he understands the better it is (IMHO).
regarding the policies...i would assume other people than bush came up with that plan.
right about attacking hussein because of the 911 connection! since the WMDs blew up in his face don't you think it would be smart of him to mention that hussein was actually a threat?Right about WHAT? He was not the source that originated that the meeting took place. And as to why he?s not talking about it, he has a bit more class, character and SMARTS that the shrill liberal hysterics. He doesn?t need to constantly cling to a particular issue as some sort of ?proof? that he was right all along. He knows that time will tell; he?s not so desperate as to draw a line in the sand and say ?THAT?S reality as we now it.? Reality is CONSTANTLY unfolding; investigations are revealing more information.
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Real, you obviously lack intellectual honesty. I'm not about to respond to you very unartful attempts to back out of what you actually said. I'm not going to waste any more time in trying to help you see how much of your opinions and claims flatly conflict with the facts. I feel like I'm talking with a child.
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black,
you obviously lack intellectual honesty. I'm not about to respond to you very unartful attempts to back out of what you actually said.
i stay word to word to what i said.
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plmkrzy
carter was actually not that bad.
What was carters contribution to the middle east crises? tick tick tick tick
This problem didn't just happen overnight ya know. It wasn't as though Bush was elected to office then suddenly a chain of events sprang up in a matter of months.
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plmkrzy,
oh is that right? i never thought of that before!
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Realist
this says it all! bush and sharon both should be eliminated.
these guys are so full of shit it is not even funny anymore. to declare war on hussein for annexing kuwait, 10 years later declaring war on him for NOTHING and at the same time allowing israel to annex foreign territory is outragous! this is the greates hypocrisy of all times.
and these fuckers are still whining about 1945.
Bush Endorses as 'Historic' Sharon's Gaza Pullout Plan
ASHINGTON -- President Bush on Wednesday endorsed Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza and parts of the West Bank as "historic and courageous actions." An elated Sharon said his plan would create "a new and better reality for the state of Israel." In what appeared to be a major shift in U.S. policy, Bush said it is now "unrealistic" to expect that Israel, in any final peace deal with the Palestinians, would make "a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949." That is significant because Israel seized the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem in the 1967 war.
And, in a concession sought by Sharon, Bush also said a final peace deal should call for Palestinian refugees to be settled in a Palestinian state, not in Israel.
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Realist,
yeru,
the BBC boss quit because of the suicide of dr. kelly the BBC informant...not because of bias. after all everything the BBC reported about the case for war was proven accurate. Someone else already dealt with this fantasy of yours.
blair had stated that iraq could launch WMDS within 45 min. now if thats not a spiced up statement than what is???Spiced up? No, it's the information the Brits were given by people who should have known.
I guess that's the part you just don't understand.
well maybe you can enlighten me and show me the connection between IRA, ETA, EL QUAEDA, TIMOTHEY MCVEIGH etc. The connection? terrorism and tactics. Interesting you should bring up McVeigh especially since some have made the connection between him and someone of "arab" descent. Not much to go on...but the connection is terror. Terrorism is the enemey, it doesn't matter if your AQ, IRA, etc, if you're a terrorist you're the enemy. Where's the disconnect on this for you???
you repeat your claim that arafat has channeled all the money into his personal swiss bank account. I did? Where? I didn't say it was ALL the money, nor did I say WHERE it was. I'm saying that Arafat is a multi Billionare. WHERE IS THE PROVE OF THAT ACCUSATION? WHY IS ARAFAT STILL THERE FIGHTING FOR HIS PEOPLE IF ALL HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE MONEY? Below are a few sites on the money and Arafat. But first let's address this issue. Arafat isn't fighting for "his people," his people are Egyptians. Arafat is an EGYPTIAN immigrant to the Holy Land.
Here are a few sites for Arafat and the money.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/60minutes/main582487.shtml
CBS) Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billion in public funds to insure his political survival, but a lot more is unaccounted for.
Jim Prince and a team of American accountants - hired by Arafat's own finance ministry - are combing through Arafat's books. Given what they've already uncovered, Arafat may be rethinking the decision. Lesley Stahl reports."What is Mr. Arafat and the Palestinian Authority worth today?" asks accountant Jim Prince. "Who is controlling that money? Where is that money? How do we get it back?"
So far, Prince's team has determined that part of the Palestinian leader's wealth was in a secret portfolio worth close to $1 billion -- with investments in companies like a Coca-Cola bottling plant in Ramallah, a Tunisian cell phone company and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.
Although the money for the portfolio came from public funds like Palestinian taxes, virtually none of it was used for the Palestinian people; it was all controlled by Arafat. And, Prince says, none of these dealings were made public.http://middleeastinfo.org/article3947.html
http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1070202773.php
WESTERN backers of the Palestinian Authority want to know Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat is clinging to a vast fortune, despite losing control of almost $US1 billion worth of state funds he had secretly shifted to an account in his name.
Arafat is thought to have salted away between $US300 million and $US1.3 billion in bank accounts worldwide by allegedly plundering aid money sent to prop up the battered West Bank and Gaza economy.http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/704
Power, money, and terror
by Rachel Ehrenfeld
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE
November 17, 2003In an interesting coincidence, both CBS and the BBC carried "exposes" earlier this month of Yasser Arafat's use and abuse of the Palestinian Authority's monies. Among the "revelations" were the payments of $50,000 per month as "living expenses" to members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, the terrorist wing of Arafat's Fatah group.This information has been known for the last year to anyone who follows Arafat and the deep-seated corruption in the Palestinian Authority (PA). Because of their timing, these "exposes" seemed calculated to send the message to Arafat to relinquish power so PA reforms could be accomplished. But once again, Arafat was ahead of the curve, and managed to further consolidate his power. A day before the heavily advertised programs were aired, Ahmed Qorei ? Arafat's latest appointee as Palestinian prime minister ? conceded to Arafat's demand to keep control of the security forces. Officially, the forces will be under the authority of the national-security council. But since Arafat heads the council, he remains in control.
Former Palestinian prime minister Mahmoud Abbas, who resigned because of Arafat's refusal to relinquish power over the security forces, explained the payments to members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades as "an attempt to wean the terrorists from committing further homicide bombings." But this money was not given to stop the Brigades' terror activities: It went to pay the salaries of one element of the terror apparatus controlled by Yasser Arafat within the security forces.
The reports by the BBC and 60 Minutes showed how Yasser Arafat diverted $800 million of the PA's aid money to his private accounts, including at least $100,000 per month to support his wife, Suha, so that she can maintain her standard of living in Paris. These details had already been exposed by the International Monitory Fund earlier this year, and by Palestinian documents, which showed the scope of Arafat and the PA's corruption ? and their abuses of national funds and aid money that was entrusted to them by the international donor community for the Palestinian people.
The IMF report on the PA, which was published last September, talks about Arafat's assets, foreign bank accounts, and secret budgets fed by aid money and monopolies held by the PA (such as oil, tobacco, and alcohol). Altogether, the IMF estimated that Arafat funneled at least $900 million between 1995 and 2000 to his own bank account. Finance Minister Fayyad claimed that this money was invested on behalf of the Palestinian economy. However, the PA's investments for that period were valued at between $300 and $345 million. Where is the rest of the money?
Prior reports included documents released in June 2002 by the Kuwaiti daily Al-Watan detailing Arafat's deposit of $5 million into his account in a Cairo bank ? money that came from aid allocated for the Palestinians. An Israeli report in August 2002 estimated Arafat's private fortune at $1.3 billion.
But neither the IMF nor the TV "exposes" mentioned how, last August, Arafat spent more than $12.5 million, a sum that exceeded his budget by $6.5 million. This money was used to, among other things, pay for demonstrations supporting his position and to buy the loyalty of the Palestinian public by paying for the loss of income, medical treatments, scholarships, unemployment, etc., that are the result of the Intifada ? the same Intifada that we now know was orchestrated by Arafat.
Clearly, Arafat does not want to relinquish control over the Palestinian security forces and their budget. Why would he? They enable him to consolidate and exercise his power over the Palestinian people. Once again, Arafat has proved that his interests come first. Besides, he made his own "roadmap" clear in an interview with Radio Palestine on June 6, 2001: "War is a dream, peace is a nightmare." President Bush is right: As long as Arafat remains in charge, no real change or reform will be possible in the Palestinian Authority.
? Rachel Ehrenfeld is the author of Funding
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jglassen/www/newsraels/11.14back.pdf
Need anymore evidence?U.N.Partition plan of 1947
Israel 1967Straits of Tiran
Palestinian Authority Funds Go to Arafat and Terrorists
11.8.03 - The Palestinian Authority, headed by Yasser Arafat, is paying members of a Palestinian militant organisation which has been responsible for carrying out suicide attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians, a BBC investigation has found.
A total of up to $50,000 a month is being sent to members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs? Brigades, an armed group that emerged shortly after the outbreak of the current Palestinian intifada, a BBC Correspondent programme reveals. A former minister in the government led by ex-Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) says that the policy of paying the money has been carried out with Mr. Arafat?s knowledge and agreement. Despite the payments, the al-Aqsa group has not declared a formal ceasefire and Mr. Arafat has not asked the group to stop the suicide bombings, according to an al-Aqsa leader interviewed by the programme.from BBC
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11.10.03 - Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billionin public funds to insure his political survival, but a lotmore is unaccounted for. Martin Indyk, a top adviser on the Middle East in the Clinton administration and now head of the Saban Center, a Washington think-tank, says Arafat was always traveling the world, looking for handouts. He explained that ?Arafat for years would cry poor, saying, ?I can?t pay the salaries, we?re gonna have a disaster here, the Palestinian economy is going to collapse,? all while accumulating hundreds of millions of dollars.? Arafat accumulated another $1 billion with the help of ? of all people ? the Israelis. Under the Oslo Accords, it was agreed that Israel would collect sales taxes on goods purchased by Palestinians and transfer those funds to the Palestinian treasury. But instead, Indyk says, ?that money is transferred to Yasser Arafat to, amongst other places, bank accounts which he maintains off-line in Israel.? All told, U.S. officials estimate Arafat?s personal nest egg at between $1 billion and $3 billion. Arafat has always lived modestly, which you can?t say about his wife, Suha. According to Israeli fficials, she gets $100,000 a month from Arafatout of the Palestinian budget, and lives lavishly in Paris on this allowance. Did he steal from his own people? Palestinians certainly paid dearly for a system of monopolies in commodities ? like flour and cement ? that Arafat handed out to his cronies, who then turned around and fleeced the public. Of all the monopolies, none was as lucrative or as corrupt as the General Petroleum Corporation, the one for gasoline. The corporation took the fuel it purchased from an Israeli company and watered it down with kerosene, not only defrauding the Palestinian drivers, but wrecking their car engines. Much of the money from Israel was sent to Switzerland, to the restigious Lombard Odier Bank, for yet another secret investment account that held over $300 million. There?s yet another stash of money Arafat might be asked about: the funds he collected when he was chairman of the PLO in exile. The PLO?s former treasurer told us he saw Saddam Hussein hand Arafat a $50 million check for supporting him during the first Gulf War. And there were other large gifts from the KGB and the Saudis.
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>I personally have a much more black and white solution, but I will not voice it because it is not reasonable, but it would work.
Ok,be unreasonable then,and tell us your solution...
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PLM: You are so right Carter set into effect a string of dominos that are still falling to this day
ASHINGTON -- President Bush on Wednesday endorsed Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza and parts of the West Bank as "historic and courageous actions." An elated Sharon said his plan would create "a new and better reality for the state of Israel."