Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!

by frankiespeakin 117 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Princess
    Princess

    I see your point Mark. I guess what I object to most is just the word enlightenment. To me it implies that one is "in the know" while another is still in the dark. I can't get past the elitist attitude there.

    Perhaps it's just semantics.

    Honestly, I'm just going to keep my connection through running and the beauty I observe in my family and the world around us. The running clears my head and energizes me, my family brings me back to reality and the world is awe inspiring. What more do I need?

    Don't answer that Ross.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Boy sounds like a real interesting posts lately,,with name calling(elitest) and everything. O well is that trolling???

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    Actually... I wasn't really interested in this.. but wanted to drop in and say the word is KUNdalini. Not

    Kandalini.

    cg

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    CG:
    I've never seen it spelt with an "a", either, but I never mentioned it because sometimes these things do have alternative spellings.
    In such cases I tend to just go with my own spelling, and see if it gets rectified.

    Princess:
    What word would you choose, instead of enlightened?
    A phrase, maybe, like "stripped of the ego"?
    I know it's just semantics, but I can understand why you might see the word "enlightenment" as an elevating word. An abasing one might help everyone feel more at ease here (hence I prefer to speak of someone who has "submitted their ego", though the word "submit" also has it's own connotations that not everyone can bear).

    Don't answer that Ross.

    Ok, I can take a hint

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Just another point. There are several different concepts being discussed on this thread, that may or may not bear any relation to one another. They may occur concurrently, but often have little to do with each other.

    Some of these are:

    • Kundalini awakening
    • Enlightenment / stripping of ego
    • TaiChi / QiQong / Energy work

    In my own case I experienced a stripping of the ego, that was accompanied by some of the symptoms of a Kundalini awakening (though I'd never even heard of the term before) - in Christian terms, "a radical conversion event".
    It left me in a "childlike" and humbled state.
    The TaiChi came another two years down the line, and gave form to some of the energy work that I had spontaneously been experimenting with all that time.
    I'm now close approaching my third birthday, and still account myself very much a novice, especially in regards to accurately relating the concepts.
    It's one thing to experience something, it's entirely another to put it into words - "better felt than telled".

    Mark:
    I'd appreciate it if you'd comment on whether or not my assessment (above) is accurate.

  • Princess
    Princess
    Boy sounds like a real interesting posts lately,,with name calling(elitest) and everything. O well is that trolling???

    In my own case I experienced a stripping of the ego

    Oooh, that, I like that phrase better then enlightened! Did Frankie call me a troll?

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Princess,

    Did Frankie call me a troll?

    Not directly,,I said trolling,,

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali
    There are several different concepts being discussed on this thread, that may or may not bear any relation to one another. They may occur concurrently, but often have little to do with each other.

    Some of these are:
    Kundalini awakening
    Enlightenment / stripping of ego
    TaiChi / QiQong / Energy work

    Okay Ross, this is the thing:

    Energy work can obviously be done by anybody who wants to practice it, but there's a certain level where you might say a different intelligence comes into play and that does have to do with awakening. Strictly speaking when you are trying to do it such as the practice of Kundalini yoga, which I understand has a Taoist equivalent, (the directions of the microcosmic orbit is called the water and fire path, and Kundalini energy from the base of the spine is referred to as the wind path) then that's actually the mind faking it. But this energy can unfold in a fairly natural and progressive way in someone's practice when they do get to such a point, for whatever reason it just kind of happens in a shorter period of time for some people, maybe without practice and would then naturally be more intense. It also depends on how out of whack you've been, because its basically a restoration of the natural flow of energy. This is where it can help to have some foundation in this kind of work, otherwise one can become very depleted physically. But I don't want to paint a picture like this is some big serious thing, for example some people in the east calls themselves Tai Chi "players." That is the best attitude with which to approach it.

    How this relates to enlightenment is its a matter of consciousness, so that's why I say just because these things are happening it doesn't necessarily mean the person is enlightened. IF the process is completed and thorough it obviously would include the mind, but for example there may be a Tai Chi master who has mastery over the body but still have some psychological egoic identification, they may never see the need to address that (or the concept may not even occur to them) because they are more interested in the body. Even when someone is intellectually enlightened (so to speak) it doesn't necessarily mean the psychological aspect is included, atleast completely. Because the mind and body are one there is a transformative process for both, so you could say it's a matter of the unfolding of that process, which is going to look different for different people - it doesn't mean everyone becomes physically adept and/or geniuses once that's completely actualized. If you think about it a lot of it has to do with previous training, for a monastic obviously all the study and meditation practice will kind of come together - with an ordinary guy they might just kind of really show up in whatever form their life happens to take.

    So when I say someone is enlightened, I don't refer to the completion of this process (which is what I was getting at with it as a developmental process) - but rather whether identification with the personality structure has been seen through. I think this would be an accurate way to say "this person is enlightened", because that's where ego comes in. This transformative process can continue to happen or it can happen before this point, chances are there is some both before and after - it usually doesn't all culminate at one point, and there is atleast some work before. I remember a Sufi teacher saying something to the effect of things never working out the way you think, and it usually comes through your least developed faculty - so perhaps it can be viewed as a sort of balancing out so that it becomes a more coherent whole, it being all one.

  • Princess
    Princess

    You might find this interesting as well:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/73371/1.ashx

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Mark:
    I think we're on the same page.
    I think of enlightenment as being the mental aspect of it.

    You are quite right in presenting the fact that there needs to be holistic balance and harmony, but I hadn't got around to expressing that bit

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