Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!

by frankiespeakin 117 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    "I AM THAT" (So Ham)

    Sounds like you need to see Dr. Suess!

    Seriously though, you said:

    First of all it is real contact with divine energy. Second, the experience itself is the catalyst towards bringing about an awakening. Granted, it's not nescessary to have a kundalini awakening in order to become enlightened. But, it is a sure fire way to do so in one lifetime. Which is it's purpose. The phenomena is the "work" involved to physically transform your mind and body into a divine vessel.

    I'm curious on what basis you say, "it is real contact with divine energy"?. Also, "it's not nescessary to have a kundalini awakening in order to become enlightened", how do you know this?

    Also, LT, as I read it, you seem to be saying that your experience and Dolphman's experience are "kundalini awakenings", yes? Yet you've had VERY different experiences. What convinces you that they are relatively synonymous? (or synonymous, if that's what you're saying)

    Also Dolphman, if you considered you might be schizophrenic at one point, what has happened that has you 100% convinced now that these experiences are anything but a brain glitch, and are in fact a highly unusual, specialized connection with the supernatural?

    I'll be quite honest, I think the best guess is that you've had some, as you said, really big brain farts, and as god is your witness, you're determined not to be crazy. So indeed god/gods will be your witness.

    I also think it's no big deal, few of us get through life w/o some sort of brain glitch or another.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Sentinel:
    What?
    Rachel wanting to make me convulse???

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Six:
    What do any of these terms mean?
    How does one framework relate to another?

    If I were to simply describe subjective "feelings" of energy coursing through a body, in a specific motion, how would you put that in language?

    When another person describes something rather similar to that which you have described (taking into account variation of degree), why shouldn't one use the same term?

    To some people such "feelings" are associated with a prior, concurrent, or later state of "enlightenment" and / or sense of connectedness with "something".

    As Mark (I believe it was) previously stated on another thread (to paraphrase) - you can relate your experience in the best terms you know how, in a poor effort to express it. However it's when someone else sees glimpses within that, which are similar to their own experience, that it triggers a level of understanding.

    In other words, "better felt than telled".

    In my own case it all happened reasonably concurrently, triggered from a single event, that cascaded onwards.
    You can deny the evidence and the interpretation, but look to the fruit for yourself.
    I'm not the man I once was, and I'm certainly not a JW drone anymore.
    Do you really wish me to ascribe my leaving the borg to a "brain-fart"?
    My wife would love to hear that one. She tried it once, but had to back down, since she'd been with me throughout that period.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Do you really wish me to ascribe my leaving the borg to a "brain-fart"?

    The "brain fart" comment came from Dolphman actually, and I was using it in reference to his experience.

    Now that you ask, lol, it seems to me from watching you for the past few years, that you have been about as interested in the errors of logic of the WT society as anyone else here. That is what I ascribe your leaving the WT too. If in fact, you had just gotten the chilly willy's one day, and thought "you know what, I'm going to heaven, I knew I was special!" then I'd think that you had had the same brain fart that all annointed JW's have, and it isn't accompanied by any kind of enlightenment that I can see.

    As it happened, your brain fart put you on a road to intellectual enlightenment. If it has led to some other type of enlightenment, well, that may be a good thing, or it may just be a bunch of bullshinto, I don't really know. I'm having trouble ever seeing a net gain in people who have pursued (or just experienced) these matters vs people who don't. For that matter, I'm having trouble seeing much difference at all between those two types of people (especially a few years down the road), beyond what they talk about over coffee. And yet I keep an open mind, because if it's a good thing, well then, it's a good thing. LOL, write that last sentence down, cuz wisdom like that doesn't spring from just every uneducated boob that takes a "rate your inner Buddha" test at e-harmony!

    Where something brings health benefits and stress reduction, I can see the gain. Where something encourages one more generation of people to sit around having shallow conversations about gods they know nothing about, whilst they imagine they are having deep conversations about Gods they imagine they know intimately, it is all quite wearisome to me. Isn't there a universe waiting to be saved?

    ~ we all ride the special schoolbus; some of us deny it, some of us embrace it, some of us merely admit it, and some of us celebrate it~

  • dolphman
    dolphman

    SixOfNine,

    I'm curious on what basis you say, "it is real contact with divine energy"?. Also, "it's not nescessary to have a kundalini awakening in order to become enlightened", how do you know this?

    Well, After seeing the psychiratrist I needed to see and having them not find an applicable modern medicine explanation for the events, I really have only one other explanation. Not to mention the experiences themselves were highly charged events. Here's the big kicker: you simply have nothing that happens in your normal everday life that I can use to help you relate to the experience. Nothing. I'm doing the best I can with HTML and a online forum.

    Also, because of these experiences I was forced to go find answers. Basically, like I've stated all along, what I've discovered is that the goal is enlightenment. And the key to enlightenment is asking "Who Am I?" You can do that sitting on a rock practicing zen meditation. Or hell, even an intense Christian prayer could bring that about. For all I know, all you really have to do is ask the question itself, regardless of whatever religion you are. So yeah, you don't need kundalini to get enlightenment. During my early research I read a lot about hinduism, buhddism, shamenism, islam, sufism, etc. They're all about the same thing really. Kundalini is just more a "kick in the ass" experience.

    Also, LT, as I read it, you seem to be saying that your experience and Dolphman's experience are "kundalini awakenings", yes? Yet you've had VERY different experiences. What convinces you that they are relatively synonymous? (or synonymous, if that's what you're saying)

    LT never said he was having a kundalini awakening. They ARE very different experiences, because he is consciously practicing a chi art of some kind. This is what makes his and my experiences synonymous, they are both related to energy. However, what seperates them is my experiences were not learned, they happen SPONTANEOUSLY. Understand the difference?

    Also Dolphman, if you considered you might be schizophrenic at one point, what has happened that has you 100% convinced now that these experiences are anything but a brain glitch, and are in fact a highly unusual, specialized connection with the supernatural?

    Well it's like this. Say one day you were meditating and you spontaneously chanted out some words. Followed by heavy breathing, your hands doing some sort of sign language, and assuming various yoga positions. What if you typed those words you chanted into the internet, and they came back Sanskrit mantras or the Names of God in various other tounges. Then you started reading some books and realized the hand movements or sign language you were doing also correctly mimicked "mudras", hand postitions used to enhance meditation by monks and often seen in buhddist paintings. Now, what are the odds of all three of these experiences happening at once and all tying into the same source, tantric hinduism and buhddism (which are essentially the same). I had no experience WITH ANY of this stuff prior. Maybe if i had only chanted some words, I could say, "Oh it means "God" in Sanskrit but it also means "Jello" in Czech. But when you combine that with the fact that I was doing the other things which are also related to the same thing, then THAT is when things get serious. That's no coincidence.

    Because of the severity of the experiences, I had to have some ANSWERS. Schizophrenia was first guess. You know what? I've been tested and I've seen the doctors. I don't have it. Now, let me ask you, where do I go next for an answer? HMMMMMMMMMM?

    It's not that I'm determined not to be crazy, I just need answers to things like this. Wouldn't you?

    One thing to remember, my whole point in answering this thread was to shed some light on kundalini experiences. I'm not trying to convert anyone or prove I had the above experiences. I do hope someday to be able to be a part of some real scientific research into the phenomena. Brain scans, lie detectors, you name it. If you know anyone whose interested in doing such a thing, I'm game.

  • Princess
    Princess
    Rachel wanting to make me convulse???

    Hey, that's not what I said. You trying to get me in trouble here?

    You said you hadn't convulsed before. I thought that was sad.

    It's the whole "I'm enlightened and you're not" attitude that bothers me. Like it's some sort of club that some are invited (or perhaps forced) to join, and others are not.

    Rachel of the obviously un-enlightened class

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe
    It's the whole "I'm enlightened and you're not" attitude that bothers me. Like it's some sort of club that some are invited (or perhaps forced) to join, and others are not.

    Life's a bitch, innit?
    I'm sitting here thinking that if only I'd been born in the "female" club, I'd have breasts to play with.
    As it is, I sit here alone, and only dream of what that may be like

    On the other hand, might one consider that the "attitude that bothers" is actually a projection of your ego, and doesn't exist at all?
    Stripping away such an illusiuon may be a first step in attaining that which you seek...

    Most folks who claim (?) such a state seem immensely in awe of it, themselves. Humbled even.

  • dolphman
    dolphman

    I'm sure as hell not enlightened either. I guess I'm one of the "great crowd", if that term can still be used.

  • Princess
    Princess

    sucks to be you

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    Did someone mention breasts?

    B.

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