by frankiespeakin 117 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Bradley:
Stop asking questions of others, for a moment, and ask yourself (experimentally) what it means to "know thyself"...
Btw, FYI, I hadn't so much as smoked tobacco, before my experience. Further, I partook of alcohol sparcely, and certainly not in the morning (which is when mine began).
Were you on any drugs (pot, LSD) when the experience you refer to occurred? How long had it been since you imbibed in narcotics when the event took place?
No. I haven't done LSD since I was 21. I'm turning 30 monday. I had a pot brownie about 11 months ago. When these events occured, and when they do occur, no drug use has occured.
I'll forgive you on the Bush thing. Do you or have you had any schizophrenic tendencies? Did you make it clear to the psychologist that a family member has schizophrenia? And, did they actually refer you to a yoga instructor, or did you do that on your own?
Thanks for forgiving me, remember, I'm not enlightened yet. I've never had any schizophrenic tendencies. I made it clear to the people at the hospital that my aunt was schizophrenic, and that's exactly why I had come there, because I thought I was becoming schizophrenic. It had been 3 days since the initial experience happened, and my symptoms by then were just crying and forming hand mudras. They said the crying wasn't related to schizophrenia. Because of the other things I described, they referred me to a psychotherapist who just happens to have a background in eastern philosophy. They figured maybe she could provide an explanation. They gave me no drugs and let me go within a few hours.
To be brutally honest, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. There are millions of JWs who believe in many crazy things and they hold down a job. Some of the members of cult atrocities like Waco and Jonestown were doctors, lawyers and other well-educated, "together" people. That does not mean you didn't experience the kundalini awakening, but it by no means means that you are more credible than anyone else.
You're absolutely right on that one.
Had you ever read and/or spoken the mantras before you started to glossalate? It's always possible that you or your girlfriend "tweaked" what you said to fit the mantra, etc. That doesn't mean you're a liar, it's simply human nature to want to "fit" the experience in somehow (especially since you seem to have been very interested in this sort of thing to begin with).
The only mantra I had ever heard of was the "OM" thing. People make fun of that in movies and stuff, so I had heard that before. But I never said that one. In fact, that one doesn't ever occur spontaneously at all. Maybe because it's the highest mantra, and I have reached that level of consciousness. The first night this all happened. The thing I said was "Sah Man". It came back "Shamen" in sanskrit when we googled it. Granted, it could mean a lot of things I guess. But when you consider the fact I was assuming yoga postures and hand gestures spontaneously as I was saying it, it lends it some credence that it was Indian in origin.. But it doesn't stop there. Then and since then, mantras such as "HAM" and "THAM" and "HRIM" and others will spontaneously utter themselves. HAM and THAM actually form the roots of the word HATHA, as in hatha yoga. In any case, sometimes whole sentences will come out, I'm assuming it's Sanskrit. Other times what I think is Hawaiin will come out. ALLAH has come out even. HU is a popular one. HU is the name the Sufis use for god, as well as others. I"ve never said JEHOVAH or YAHWEH. I guess the different names of god are all gateways to deeper levels of consciousness. You could speculate that my subconcious heard these words and saw these movements, maybe in movies or while watching Kung Fu as a kid. And then all of the sudden, they are triggered when I meditate.I for one though, don't think is it. Half these words I'm sure I've never heard before, and I don't think I could be that good at yoga without having taken some lessons.
Again, forgive me, but there are plenty of people reading this who will say that it is "a lot of New Age BS."
They can. I'm not trying to convert anyone. There are a lot of weirdos. Trust me, I've met them.
Ah, I'm just jesting with you. I'm more open to this sort of thing than I used to be. I just wouldn't discount that there may be other factors involved that are of a more psychological origin. Did you see multiple counselors? What type of psychologist did you see? Did they give you ANY ideas that it might be glitches in the brain?
I saw counselors at the hospital and the one I went and saw for about 4 weeks, until she said there was basically nothing to work on. I then began seeing a Hindu renunciate. The counselors at the hospital are the front line troops that deal with people coming into the ER. They were the staff psychiratrist that basically decide if your a real loon and get sent to the psych ward or if you just need general therapy. They then referred me to someone who charges 90 bucks an hour, so I'm assuming they were a professional. No drugs were ever given to me at any time. Ok, I tell you, as far as glitches to the brain go, if it is, it's a sight to behold. You should see it sometime. Personally, the things I say and do and their relation to specific symptoms mentioned to be of a kundalini origin are just to exact to be mere coincidences. If its just a brain fart, it's a loud one.
Princess,
I did grow up in the area. Tacoma, Gig Harbor, Port Orchard, Bremerton, been to a kingdom hall in all those towns.
Littletoe,
You bring up the most important point. It's all about knowing yourself, seperating the "I" from the real "I" and finding out what that is. I'm still working on it. But that's really the point of everything, kundalini and otherwise.
I do also want to say that I do believe/know that God exist. The great thing is it isn't what we think it was, i.e. "Jehovah". A domineering, destructive angry god that kills everyone.
I can't say I've met it yet, but it's more of a supreme consciousness than anything, the origin of all consciousness and physical reality. I guess one part of it is the consciousness part, and the other part is the manifestation of it, such as creation, us. You can think of it as the male part being the consciousness and the female part as the creation part. Supposedly when a person becomes enlightened, they become a perfect combination of male and female qualities. Which emulates divinity itself. This is why Hindu gods all look like transvestites.
I also think of God as a zero. A zero is nothing, yet it is complete. If you add it to another number, it becomes something. Like how a 1 becomes a 10. The paradox of 0 is that is nothing and something all at the same time. Which is what god is, I guess.
You bring up the most important point. It's all about knowing yourself, seperating the "I" from the real "I" and finding out what that is.
This may sound like a matter of semantics, but it's important to be clear here. There is no separation, but there is a distinction. You are just as real as anything else out there, but it's a matter of what that is. If one takes the word separation literally then you might have a sort of dissociative identity going on.
Zero
Sounds like you're describing Yin (WuQi), to me...
Mark:Agreed.
Sifting out the illusion from the real "I" might be a better way of framing it, neh?
Or another way of putting it, submitting the "ego" that the real may emerge.
The real "I" as in the scripture "I AM THAT I AM" as opposed to the way the ego thinks of itself as the "I".
It's funny, that scripture isn't much different than the Sanskrit mantra "I AM THAT" (So Ham)
Alright then. You men are having a serious discussion and I'm having a helluva time distracting you.
I give up.
You're ignoring me LT. I won't stand for that.
Our paths probably never crossed before now Dolphman. I only suffered Tacoma for conventions. Hope to see you at the next 'fest.
Rachel:
You want me to convulse?
I don't mind the distraction. It is some heavy shit though.
Those Tacoma dome conventions were great for checking out girls.
I am very aware of this subject and information. It truly does make one really think about lots of things. It makes sense to me.
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