Here ya go, Farkers! New Vistas!
Pope
It's Time to Find New Vistas
by Farkel 125 Replies latest jw friends
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notperfectyet
ROFL
I talked to Farkel tonight, I told him the next post would be from Minimus.
I am so glad you didn't let me down mini. Now Farkel owes me a dollar.
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seven006
Doug my dear friend,
It's hot sitting in the sunshine all the time.
You got your tan and it looked damn good on you. You played the exJW volley ball game extremely well and won some damn good games. There is noting wrong at all with sitting in the shade a while, sipping on a nice drink and watching the kids play. You were, are, and will always be, one of the best my friend. Someone had to figure out the theory of relativity and then let others develop the atomic bomb based on their, and a few others, invaluable input.
Digest that a while my friend.
Accept it's value and realize the gen'Xers could not do what they do now if people like you, Alan, Norm, Kent, Jan, Maximus, Amazing, Simon, Bill Bowen and a short list of other god dammed great individuals did before the exJW genX'rs knew how to think their very first "independent" thought in their life.
Doug, I love you buddy, I really do, but you have always seemed to be stuck in phase one, "Getting Out". That is extremely important and you are one of the best who has ever lived in helping people open their minds and letting them see that. What you seem to "NOT SEE" (and this is said from the heart pal) is there is also phase two, three, four and on, and on, and on, in relation to getting out of the cult and learning to live in the reality of the real world.
Phase two and beyond deals with the, pit bulls, virginity, favorite pizza toppings, the Olsen twins and who votes for who and who really gives a shit. Those phases are for, the first time in our lives, being able to be as smart or as stupid as WE choose to be at any given time. The god damned key here pal is, it is what anyone on this board "chooses" to say or be. People can begin to escape here. That is, was, and hopefully will always be part of "YOUR" department. Then they can experience the ins and outs of social boundaries here that are outside of the JW vacuum and that they have never been allowed to experience before. That is the average poster and the mod's departments to handle and help develop. After that, they can find their own balance in life and for the first time in life, begin to mold themselves, by themselves. Whether it's talking about Quantum physics, the power of purple quarts crystals, or the latest episode of Southpark or Jackass. It's all a part of moving on and trying to figure out and possibly enjoy life for the first time as a real live, independent, non-cult-influanced, "thinking" individual.
Doug, you old son of a bitch (and as your friend, I say SOB literally) try, just try, to understand what a friend who loves you is trying to say without getting pissed off. Move the hell on to phase two buddy! Choose your level of silliness or seriousness on the level you damn well please. Just realize there is more to life then just level one and exJW's "NEED" that. You have mastered level one. You have helped expose it, define it, recognize it and pivot many out of it. Now, let them move away from it without guilt or the feeling of inadequacy when they stumble and fumble into a state of social acceptance instead of the realm of social retardation we have "all" gone through by simply trying to "fit in" to life outside of the damn cult. If people feel inclined to talk about their dog, so what! Good for them! All they are saying by doing so is they are starting to move on and talk about things they are enjoying or experiencing after they left the cult. That IS part of exJW issues, even better, it's a part of LIFE! You might be one that "possibly" may have helped that person get to that point. Don't give them shit for reaching phase TWO, you pissed off narrow-minded two by four up your ass old fart!
Damn buddy, you should know this shit! I am not one god damn ounce smarter than you and I figured this shit out quite a while back. EXJW issues are not all about the JW religion. They are also about learning to become an open minded, kind hearted, mistake making, stupid remark saying, bungled and botched member of the human race.
I'm done now. I just hope my comments don't piss you off and you see them in the light they were intended. That is a friend who cares enough about you to take a chance pissing you off in what may be a lame attempt to open that brilliant and talented closed mind of yours for one god dammed second.
Your pal...I hope,
Dave
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talesin
What he said.
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notperfectyet
I think I just said the same thing to him tonight, but without so many words and the drinks at the beach and stuff.
(((((((((DOUG)))))))))))
Remember..Concours........
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ohiocowboy
seven006,
WOW!!! That is one of the best posts that I have ever read! I can't wait to go back in the Archives and read some of your others.....
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seeitallclearlynow
Well, Farkel, then I'll just have to look very much forward to those two upcoming items from you, and hope you have a change of heart somewhere along the way.
If not, I have a few more options to consider: I can just miss your presence and feel bad about it, or, I can try to get you or someone to clue me into where you take off to (if here on the net somewhere), or I can start re-reading some of your old stuff, which I've already done, but as I say, it's re-doable for sure.
But whatever you ultimately decide to do, I mostly hope you will be happy or at least content in doing it.
Time will tell!
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Lady Lee
Doug
If all you had ever done on this board is help just one person then you are a hero sir.
The reality is that your posts here have helped many people realize the foundations of lies that the WTS is. Many people here have read and appreciated your posts.
No it isn't the same. But then I have a sneaking suspicion that the WTS isn't the same as it was way back when not are the present and recently exited JWs the same as we were. Many people now can't even remember 1975 if they were even alive at the time or JWs. We were force fed all that prophesy garbage week after week and year after year along with all the dire warning that the end is just around the corner
I don't think most of the young people leaving ever really believed. They were just biding their time until they could exit.
But there are older ones who like us were fed all of those lies. And believed them. They too are beling disillusioned by the lack of love within the organization and are making conscious choices to leave.
But the WTS truth is still in them. Somehow, someway they need to see the WTS truth for what it really is. And I'm not much of one for all the counter-theology stuff. I wasn't really into it then and am still not. But I think it is still needed.
My area is the recovery thing and learning how to move on with our lives. seven006 hits it right on. Anger has its place unless it keeps us stuck. So often I wish I could connect with you and let you know what others have said here. It might be time to move on - from the anger and into a new place in your life where you are gentler and kinder to yourself. We can't change what our parents and what this religion did to us and our lives. But we don't have to hand the rest of our lives to them served on a platter of hate and anger.
When I was a young girl and after I took my father to court for his abuses of me I was angry. But after a while I realized the anger wasn't affecting him. It was affecting me and keeping me tied to him in a very toxic way. Letting go of that allowed me to find the energy to let my creativity blossom. You've said numerous times how you are affected by the opinion of others (you know who) who put down your musical talent. Please don't let that be a self-fulfilling prophesy. Take the energy you use for anger and use it for your music or whatever else captures your attention.
Leave if you need to or stay to help you move on. But never doubt that your time here was a waste. You helped far more than just one person but even if it was just one then you have done well.
Lee (who really cares about the person you are inside)
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shamus
This place is a great place for healing from the cult. Once you've heard the same old bullshit and seen the exact same threads by the same poster.... enough is enough. I get really, REALLY bored reading things here. It's also easy to get pissed off when everyone acts so 'lovey dovey' and 'let's all just get along' when the person posting could, and quite possibly is, the biggest asshole in the world.
In short, I find that I cannot conform to this place anymore either. Sure, it's nice to pop-in every now and then, but it gets so dammed boring and the 'internet community' is nothing more than avatars and stupid names like 'Shamus'... utterly devoid of true human contact and utterly devoid of concrete proof of truth. Sure, there are tons of exceptions, so before you all start boo-hooing me, think about the thousands of people who post here only a few times.... who the hell are they? There are millions of total weirdo's on this planet. And there are tons here... JC Cannon who argues with people all the time. A person who has completely lost reality and is delusional... thinking that he/she is the messiah. Yet people know this and still argue with this sick individual! They are arguing with Jesus Christ... just too weird.
Yes, this place serves a great purpose, but the show is over sometimes. I only come here every so often now, and hope to kick the habit permanently very soon. I am left to wonder how people can have 10,000 posts and still go on typing and giggling and bullshitting with people who could be complete frauds. It's really strange... yet I found myself in with it too!
Yes, some people come here just to argue politics; something that really detracts from this place. But it ain't my message board and won't ever be. Believe me, I sure don't want it!
Have I made one bit of difference? Nope. I've posted some messages here, but really, big deal. The Jehovahs Witness teachings are filled with obvious flaws and everyone knows of they're lack of love... did 'Shamus" make a difference? Or did "Farkel"? Nah. I'm not bitter... towards this board. I am bitter that it all seemed so real to me. Let me tell you folks, there are plenty of real people here. There are plenty of weirdo's too. (maybe I'm one of them)
Whatever. It's only a message board. The real world is outside. Find ex-witnesses or meet-up with them like so many have done here. That's great! But to have this as your soul-outlet for venting about this 'religion' and believing that all on this board is true... well... there's one born every minute, so they say. The smart people already figured this out, posted a few times, and got on with they're real life. Some are in the process of moving on... I am glad to say that I am one of them.
Of course, I could be totally wrong. But I"m not going to argue over this either. I have better things to do...
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Undaunted Danny
Farkel your my hero,we need your brain trust stand fast mate.
The undaunted Danny