Do you want the real truth or not?

by Jason 175 Replies latest jw friends

  • logical
    logical
    And the reason I AM on this site is BECAUSE it is full of BS. There has to be some light in the darkness. Don't you agree?

    I agree there is darkness on this site, but I am probably the main cause of it. Im intrigued that you can bring "light" here. Are you a follower of Christ?

    And believe me I am not judging these people. I don't know them. But I do know that they don't all know the truth.

    Let me guess, you are here to reveal the truth to us all? What is the source of this truth?

    I am not here to address anyone personally. I wasn't implying that you or anyone else has to listen to me because you are all wrong and I am right. I am simply offering an alternative for those people who come onto this forum looking for truth and can't find it within the vast amout of rubbish. They don't HAVE to listen to me. But they can if they choose to.

    Ah, an ALTERNATIVE truth to the one people have abandoned. Now the word "truth" has been misused and distorted that it can mean anything now.

    From your posts, I know you dont have the truth. Just beware, this forum already has a fair number of false prophets and false messiahs. And they dont get an easy ride either, because they are WRONG.

  • Jason
    Jason

    Logical,

    You aren't being very logical. You too seem to think I am a JW or something of the sort. And you quickly read something into my post that wasn't there. You should know, you quoted me.

    I never said I had an alternative truth. I said I had an alternative for those who may be easily confused by a site such as this.

    I am not your saviour. Perhaps you should go back and read a few more of my posts. I have been asked these questions before. I have light, like any true follower of Christ does. But I am not that light. Christ is the source of light and I choose to represent him by teaching those who wish to learn the things He has taught me. No, he does not come to my room at night and give me private lessons, I am no one special. But if you can come here and tell everyone what you think, why can't I come here to tell others things i have discovered?

    About "truth." It can mean anything depending on who says it and who interprets it. But when I say truth, I mean the actual, literal, God breathed, absolute truth.

    I am not a prophet or messiah let alone a false one.

    And tell me all-knowing one, how do you KNOW I don't have the truth by my posts? You obviously haven't even read many of them let alone considered them before trying to shoot me down.

    Jason.

  • JanH
    JanH

    Jason,

    You started off badly here, whined yourself through the middle, and the less said about your last messages, the better.

    First, you made an unspecified blanket accusation about "lies" on this site. When pressed for concrete examples, not to mention actual evidence, you resorted to whining. Your first posting presented the standard modus operandi of the braindead JW apologist. Naturally, you proved to be from their kindred-spirited opponents, the braindead fundie apologists. Big deal. From your other messages, it seems reasonable to assume you are a Christian protestant fundamentalist, Bible inerrantist, young earth creationist and totally convinced that the tiny little bit you know about the world is the absolute truth about everything. From this, it is also reasonable to assume that if you have any education at all, it did not teach you anything about source criticism, natural sciences or logic. Yet, naturally, you know everything.

    When finally pressed for issues, you chose to present your assertion, so far only backed up by vague references to what a handful of Australian aboriginals told an antropologist more than 150 years ago, that dinosuars did (do?) coexist with humans. Of course, no evidence for this claim has been forthcoming, except the typical circular reference to your own speculative translation of a highly poetic book in the Bible.

    When pressed further, you merely resort to copy and paste. Anyone can copy articles from a web page into a text box. Next time, post the link. We are able to click links. What is typical for these articles, are that they are written by people who do not know more about the subject at hand than you do, and that the paragraphs are full of technical-sounding jargon that says very little, and is totally void of technical facts (e.g. chemical analyses), quantitative evaluation of claims and real references. What you post is not references to science, it is religious apologetics dressed up in impressive sounding jargon to impress the ignorant.

    Since most participants here on this forum are former or present (mostly non-believing) Jehovah's Witnesses, we know the tricks. We know how religionists misquote, misrepresent, lie and deceive to support preconceived opinions. We are, to put not a too fine point on it, not very impressed.

    If you want to be treated as a serious participant here, it would help if you could say something in your own words, and make a logical argument supporting your position. You know, even from JWs it is expected that once they reach a certain age and level of "maturity", they are able to answer simple questions in their own words, without reading up the answer.

    PS: You can find solid debunking of your creationist nonsense here: http://www.talkorigins.org/ You might learn something if you also read stuff that doesn't necessarily tickle your ear.

    One example article from this site, a recent one, that directly rebuts your bold assertion about the The Geologic Column and its Implications for the Flood, can be read here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ It also contains a mention of your pal Woodmorappe towards the end. It is amusing to see how a self-styled expert in geology seems unable to even find a basic textbook in petroleum geology.

    - Jan
    --
    Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]

  • JanH
    JanH

    Jason again:

    Is a hippo the BIGGEST animal God created? No? Didn't think so.

    Very simple question for you, and I expect a simple answer: What IS the BIGGEST animal?

    - Jan
    --
    Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Jason,

    Hey 'funkyderek', Show me where I ever said I was the sole dispenser of truth?

    Fair enough, you didn't. However, your initial post did imply that you were the only person (or one of very few) on this forum who had "the truth."

    I am A "dispenser of truth." One of many.

    No Jason, you're not. You're just another creationist. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them.

    You asked a "couple" of questions:

    Who defines truth?

    Dictionaries, usually. But I don't think that's what you mean. Basically, if someone says something, test it against the evidence and see whether it passes. If it does, take it to be true, at least until you get better evidence. Fundamentalists seem to have a problem with that, probably because they usually start with the truth and try to make the evidence fit.

    When did the dinosaurs die out?

    Approximately 65 million years ago, probably due largely to a meteorite hitting what is now the Yucatan Peninsula, in the Gulf of Mexico

    Can we really trust the Bible?

    Of course not. It's a collection of myths, legends, chronologies and laws written by near-savages and pieced together hundreds of years later. As science or history, it is laughably inaccurate. As a moral guide, it is abhorrent. It has some merit as a geographical guide to the Middle East, but other, more up-to-date guides are available.

    --
    Ubi dubium ibi libertas

  • mommy
    mommy

    Great post Jan, and Derek
    Derek I am interested in your signature. Would you mind translating?
    wendy

    In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    Derek I am interested in your signature. Would you mind translating?

    It means: "Where there is doubt, there is freedom."

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
    (Anything said in Latin sounds profound)

    --
    Ubi dubium ibi libertas

  • mommy
    mommy

    Thanks Derek
    LOL I agree anything in Latin sounds profound. But I have to add to that, anything in a foreign language for this American girl sound intriuging as well. Nice having you on the forum
    wendy

    In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

  • logical
    logical

    Thanks for replying to me Jason.

    I was only saying what I saw, and I could see the anger and bitterness seeping through the reply.

    Christ is the source of light and I choose to represent him by teaching those who wish to learn the things He has taught me. No, he does not come to my room at night and give me private lessons, I am no one special. But if you can come here and tell everyone what you think, why can't I come here to tell others things i have discovered?

    How does Christ "teach" you these things?

    I have NO problem with you sharing your findings, but when you say they are God or Christ given, then you are treading on thin ice. The WTS claim their teachings are given to them from above, when clearly, they are not. There are others on this forum who also claim they are messengers of Christ.

    Spider,

    1)The sun will rise tommorrow.
    2)ice is cold.
    3)one add two make three.

    1) No the sun will not rise tomorrow. However, the earth's rotation will cause your part of the planet to become illuminated.
    2) Not when you stick it in the kettle and switch the power on button.
    3) It could = 12 too... 1+2=12

    Hey Lisa,

    Can you believe this condescending asshole. He thinks we're all lost and stupid and HE'S the almighty fortune-teller who's going to march before us into heaven. What an arrogant bastard. Why dont you keep calling him names and trying to put him down because you're better than him.

  • LDH
    LDH

    Logical,

    I loved your posts. And don't worry--he's given me plenty of fodder. Like this direct quote:

    . I never claimed to be the truth but I can offer what i know about truth to people who ask for it.

    As you can clearly see here, he has waffled from offering the truth to offering what he knows about the truth. Ha ha, he's on the wrong forum to play word games.

    As for why "Jason" came to this forum to help us poor misguided sniveling little confused punks, don't ask me! But we should all thank GOD for his loving provision of an insulting, ignorant teacher of truth. [8>]

    As for his young creationist assertations, I think Jan did a wonderful job in picking apart his argument, which technically wasn't even his, but a cut and paste job.

    Hopefully, Jason will see that we want to remain a bunch of lost miserable ignorant cretins and he will take his message to the Muslims or something.

    Lisa

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