by Jason 175 Replies latest jw friends
Spider,
1)The sun will rise tommorrow.
2)ice is cold.
3)one add two make three.
1) No the sun will not rise tomorrow. However, the earth's rotation will cause your part of the planet to become illuminated.
2) Not when you stick it in the kettle and switch the power on button.
3) It could = 12 too... 1+2=12
Nice one Logical.You make your point perfectly.
He sure did, didn't he Spider?
Okay, Jason, you have stated various theories, but there are still holes.
When I was referring to the Neandertals, I wasn't implying that they were backwards people. Additional research has been done that has indicated that they were capable of many things. That wasn't the issue.
I was thinking more in terms of flood waters and their effect on artifacts--such as cave paintings. Since it is doubtful that these cave artists had polyurethane available to protect and preserve, and since it is a fact that several caves that were formerly open to tourists have had to be closed due to the deterioration of the paintings just from excess carbon dioxide exhaled by visitors, I'm wondering how you explain the fact that these fragile artifacts survived submersion in flood waters for over a year.
St. George killed a dragon? Well, sure, there IS such a legend, but it is STILL thousands of years after the end of the Flood. Why nothing until then? Where did they hide?
There were dinosaurs on the Ark, you stated. Perhaps you should review the dimensions of the Ark as compared to the dimensions of the dinosaurs. And just as Noah would have had to take two of every mammalian species, reptilian species, and so on, he would also have had to take two of every dinosaurian species. Taking just two dinosaurs would put us back into the evolution scenario. How, exactly, do you figure he fit them?
Odd, also, is that you contend that there was an ice age right after the Flood, but there seems to be no mention of a superfast ice age in the historical records of that time. How fast was it, anyway? Scientists speculate that each ice age lasted around 10,000 years, but your scenario doesn't allow sufficient time for even one ice age alone, much less all of creation and man's entire history on the Earth.
You say that there would have been sufficient time for eight people to produce thousands of progeny in 150 years. Did these three women who got off the Ark produce litters of children that were capable of reproducing in six months like kittens? The math simply doesn't work....sorry.
And what about Eohippus? Was this proto-horse on the Ark? You didn't answer that.
Once again, the time span for all of the plate tectonics just seems way too short. If all of these upheavals and shifts occurred in just a couple of hundred years, why do we not see major tectonic changes in recent history?
Come on, Jason, give us facts here, not assertions and suppositions.
HAHAHA ohh this is too funny, thanks for entertaing me at work today people. I can't belive you keep posting, did you not see the
"DONT FEED THE TROLLS" Sign? hahhahha ohh well hey read my quote that's all I have to say about that!!!
Ven
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong, is to let him have his own way."---Josh Billings
JanH,
It's nice to know someone out there can pick apart every little thing I write. Maybe you should start up an editing team so you can review my work before we post it. That way we won't have to waste time analysing my style of writing and get to the point.
And what IS the BIGGEST animal. We ARE talking about land animal here. My guess would be a brachiasaurus. But then there are others who believe there may have been some a little bigger than that. But the BIGGEST isn't a hippo by a long shot.
And what IS the BIGGEST animal
Well, wouldn't that depend on the types of animals living in that particular area at that particular time?
You have by no means proven that Brachiosaurs existed at the time the scripture was written. Therefore, in that area of the world at that period of time, a Hippo is the most likely candidate for largest known animal.
Jason,
JanH's post was brilliant, so dead on that you could do no more than whimper back with pathetic sarcasm ("maybe you should start up an editing team").
What a joke you are. If you ever did have an original thought, it would die of loneliness.
Dedalus
Redhorsewoman,
When I mention cave paintings of dino's I wasn't talking about pre-flood paintings. I was talking about post-flood paintings. Besides that they are not all painted, some are carved.
The story of St. George is not the only possible account with a dinosaur. If you research the history of almost any civilization you are bound to find tales of (I don't mean fairy tales I mean things these people say actually happened) "dragons."
Noah's Ark: Perhaps YOU should review the dimensions of the Ark and then the dinosaurs. The average dinosaur was about the size of a pony. There were some species that grew very large. But I never said they had to put full-grown dino's on the Ark. For the larger species Noah most likely used younger specimens, teenagers. Even the biggest dino's were once small. It has been calculated time and again and for some reason they always seem to fit.
The ice age: The cause of the Ice Age is a mystery to evolutionists.
But using the post-flood model the ice age fits right in. The ice age supposedly lasted 700 years. SCIENTISTS do not speculate that each ice age lasted 10,000 years. Uniformitarian Scientists speculate this.
There are many Scientists who disagree. Tell me, what's the evidence that the ice age lasted 10,000 years? What is the evidence that there was more than one?
And your question about repopulating the earth in 150 years. Tell me when you think the flood ended and then give me evidence that says there were cities of thousands 150 years after the flood.
A question. if the evolution scenario is correct on how long man has been here (what is it 3 million years?) how do you account for there only being 6 billion people alive today. I mean yes many people have died in wars and plagues but not enough to prevent from overpopulation. Calculations show that there should be thousands of people per square inch had we been multiplying for a million + years.
Eohippus: I did answer this but not directly. Yes, eohippus was on the Ark. Why wouldn't he be? He is a land animal after all.
Plate techtonics: You mean to tell me that had a world-wide flood occurred, water bursting out from under the ground, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions everywhere, there wouldn't be much movement in techtonic plates? And I'd say the reason we don't see that kind of movements in the plates today is because the world is no longer being ripped up by a massive flood.
You say "give us facts." Do you think what evolutionists teach is fact? Tell me something, and give me some facts. What is the evidence that humans evolved from apes (or anything else for that matter)? What evidence is there for the earth being millions of years old? And one more. How do you reconcile the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) with the theory of evolution?
Jason.
Redhorsewoman,
Actually ACCORDING TO EVOLUTION THEORY the biggest animal would depend on the types of animals living at that time. I am do not believe the evolutionary theory. ALL the animals once lived together. They have been becoming extinct since that time.
And you have by no means proven that brachiosaurus was not alive at that time. There is evidence, as I said, that man lived side-by-side with dino's. And I believe the Biblical account to be true.
Jason.
Jason, proving anything to you is difficult, since you refuse to accept fossil evidence or any scientific methods of dating artifacts.
Everything that is based on scientific research is dismissed by you so that you can tout your "beliefs" as "truth".
The story of St. George is not the only possible account with a dinosaur. If you research the history of almost any civilization you are bound to find tales of (I don't mean fairy tales I mean things these people say actually happened) "dragons."
Since you are stating unequivocally that almost any civilization would have had accounts of dinosaurs roaming about wreaking havoc (and I know of no paleontological evidence of fire-breathing dinosaurs), would you please list these early historical references?
Did Jesus speak of them? How about the Egyptian civilization? Romans? Greeks? There must be tons of information, since these guys were supposedly tooling around for thousands of years, right?
I WAS referring to pre-flood cave paintings. How did they survive submersion in water for over a year?
The Ark dimension calculations of which I am aware included only modern-day animals. You have now included hundreds of species of dinosaurs, as well as Mammoths, sabre-toothed cats, etc. Mind showing us some of these calculations that accommodated teenage, rapidly-growing dinosaurs, and immense, rapidly-growing mammals? Hundreds of them? And their food requirements? Even a teenage dinosaur would be extremely large by human standards.
Kind of wondering, too, why Noah didn't send out a Pterodactyl to check for land rather than a dove and a raven? Why no mention of any of these creatures?
As far as the civilizations being extant within 150 years of the Flood, Uncle Onion presented some very interesting research along this line on Witnet, and that is what I am referring to. According to what I learned as a JW, the Flood occurred about 4,000 years ago.
These advanced, well-populated cities were archeologically dated from the same period.
What is your estimate as to the time period needed to repopulate a viable civilization from 8 people? Those women must have been churning out babies like noodles from a pasta machine.
As far as population statistics go, it has been only in the last few years that man's lifespan has been around 70 or 80 years. Prior to this most adults didn't live much past 30. There was also much childhood mortality. Epidemics such as the Black Plague wiped out millions in a very short time. Why should you be surprised that the world population isn't greater at this point in time?
Why are you asking me to prove evolution to you? I'm not espousing any doctrine. I'm learning, and I'm asking you questions about things that simply don't make sense. YOU are the one who came here saying that you have the "truth". So....prove it....beyond the shadow of a doubt. I haven't seen any proof on your part--just assertions of "this is what I believe, and anything that doesn't fit with what I believe is a lie, even if I can't prove it's a lie, and I like this belief I have, and everyone who doubts this is a liar....so THERE....humpphh!!!"
