EX JW who are now Born Again Christians?

by imnottheonlyone! 83 Replies latest jw friends

  • steve2
    steve2
    I wonder........if we are asked to pray for one of our members here, would this be annoying to some posters?

    Would it be considered as pushing religion on the others?

    Very very annoying indeed! If prayer really is so powerful, why do Christians and others have to tell you they're praying for you? What's that about? To prove how much they care for you? Maybe. But I also think it's a subtle bit of manipulation which implies "See how much we care about you and are worried about you." Which, I'm sorry to say, is an over-worked response that even the JWs use.

    No, don't pray for me. Have confidence that I have the skills and abilities to work out things for myself. I need divine intervention like a hole in the head. A healthier life belongs to those who take responsibility for their own life and stop all the mind games that go along with both the JWs and Born Again Christians. Same spaghetti; different flavored sauce.

  • Gill
    Gill

    Steve2 : ditto

    Don't even think about praying for me!!!!!!!

    I see praying as a safety blanket for the emotionally desperate and something that becomes a pacifying ritual much as an obsessive compulsive disorder..... 'It'll be all right! I've prayed!' Yeah!

  • Jaypeeto
    Jaypeeto

    I can't speak for the other Christians on this forum, but being a born-again Christian, I don't feel like anyone has been playing mind games on me. Best, Jaypeeto

  • steve2
    steve2
    I can't speak for the other Christians on this forum, but being a born-again Christian, I don't feel like anyone has been playing mind games on me.

    Hey, point taken. It's a bit like the JWs: I would never suggest that all JWs were this way or that way or whatever. But I do observe trends and inclinations in groups and was commenting about that. Some times the comparisons between JWs and other religions are actually much closer than you might think. I stand by my spaghetti analogy.

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    Hey, sorry if I sounded harsh on my last reply to this post. Its just I went for wings with a friend of mine that is a born-again Christian and he told me, very politely, that if I don't become a Christian that I am going to burn in hell. Im just really tired of these kinds of, imo, stupid belief systems.

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    ** Very very annoying indeed!

    I'm sorry you feel that way. but then, we all have different perspectives.

    **If prayer really is so powerful, why do Christians and others have to tell you they're praying for you?

    Perhaps because if someone asks to have a prayer said for them, it seems to be the polite thing to do to acknowledge that you understand there is a problem and that you will do as asked.

    **What's that about? To prove how much they care for you? Maybe.

    No, I don't see it that way. It doesn't "prove" anything in that sense, but to agree that you will send love and encouraging thoughts their way.

    **But I also think it's a subtle bit of manipulation which implies "See how much we care about you and are worried about you." Which, I'm sorry to say, is an over-worked response that even the JWs use.

    I'm sorry, but I don't understand any connection between a loving gesture from the heart---and a manipulation implying anything but what it genuinely is. It's a kindness, not a tactic.

    ** No, don't pray for me. Have confidence that I have the skills and abilities to work out things for myself. I need divine intervention like a hole in the head.

    Nope, I wouldn't dream of it! LOL. But prayer has nothing to do with skills and abilities, but I really don't want to get into the dynamics of prayer. I do feel that you have been very disappointed (haven't we all?) and have real animosity about the "prayer" issue.

    **A healthier life belongs to those who take responsibility for their own life and stop all the mind games that go along with both the JWs and Born Again Christians. Same spaghetti; different flavored sauce.

    I personally don't see prayer as a "mind game", but it's your prerogative to see it this way and call things as you see them. I think it's comforting to have friends here that will pray, or send good vibes, light candles etc when someone is undergoing something stressful.

    This is one of THE greatest things about this board----that we CAN discuss things that matter to us, and hold dear what we choose to.

    Annie

  • CinemaBlend
    CinemaBlend

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    No offense taken, but since I first started going to different churches, not one of them has told me what to do or how to do it. Now going to the KH was a different story. Now when I leave a church service I am in a good mood and feel uplifted.

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    Then you left the Witnesses for a different reason than me. I didn't leave because I didn't like being told what to do, I left because I decided religion, and especially that religion was full of hooey. I reasoned on it, examined the facts as they really are, and decided I didn't want to be a part of something that was untrue.

    They aren't telling you what to do? Ok, but read the Bible. It's telling you what to do and if they're reading the Bible at all, then they are by extension telling you what to do. They just don't enforce it as well as JWs. Different degrees, same song and dance.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    ~shakes head, takes a deep breath, enters fray~

    How many times does it need stated that being "born again" has nothing to do with a denomination?
    Read John 3 and see what it's actually about. If you don't understand the text, and still think it's about a denomination, you HAVE missed the point.
    You can be a born-again Christian without ever attending church.

    Oh, and what's up with the business of jumping on someone who asks for a specific response? The thread was started asking for folks who were born-again to reply. How come it's swarming with detractors, peddling their own brand of proselytization?
    Grow up, people!
    (and if you don't like being accused of proselytization you can bite me!)

    LT, of the "born again in 2001" class

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Ditto

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Ross of the "born again in 2001" class

    One thing that struck me in the born-again-sect (mis)treatment the NT metaphor of "new birth / birth from above" is precisely the temporal paradigm. I couldn't help drawing an analogy between "being born again from 2001 on" and "having been in the truth for 4 years". Which I find utterly meaningless, especially if the Johannine "new birth" is anyhow related to the Synoptic/Thomas saying about "becoming like children". I guess you see what I mean. Birth from above is now or never, it can't be past -- or it is past and future as well.

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