Daniel 12:1
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom 303 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Jonathan Drake
@myelaine
none of the scriptures you are posting have anything to do with the Angels knowledge of anything what so ever, I have a heard time seeing how they even apply to the thread.
MATTHEW 24:36
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.Whereas, I have provided two scriptures that prove your statement wrong. The Angels know nothing more than we do, as into the gospel they are longing to look. Why? Because concerning the day or hour nobody knows, "NOT EVEN THE ANGELS..." They are just like us, waiting to see how it all plays out. That's what the bible says, and what the Quran says. Both say the same.
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Viviane
This is the most utterly ridiculous argument about the most nonsensical thing ever. You could be helping other people and making the world a better place instead of arguing about a middle eastern death cult. -
Jonathan Drake
@viv
im not talking about the cults, just the books. I've said this I don't know how many times.
Simon said something to me in a pm, and I think elsewhere in the thread possibly, that I think we should all just take to heart. I don't remember his exact words but his point was everybody hears different things and messages from the same thing. I.e., you guys can't separate the cults from their books so you keep saying I'm defending islam or talking about Muslims or Christians and while I have mentioned them on the side the thrust of my comments was concerning the books not the people. I'm reading a verse and seeing the words as they are saying something very clear while, apparently, others are drawing very different conclusions.
Lets just let it be, we are beating a dead horse here. If you've all read these books and think they say something different than I do, and are ok with this and believe you are 100% right and there's no room for doubt you got it wrong then there's no point in further discussion. It'd be better just to let it drop and not let any rifts form between us and/or any readers that disrupt the forum somehow. aside from you viv, because I think I will just dislike you permanently. I respect your willingness to discuss and read and research but I really dislike you greatly - and that's okay, I don't have to like you or you me. I've actuslly agreed with several posts you've made elsewhere, so as long as we can dislike each other but still be MOSTLY respectful, I think we can get along.
so as I said earlier in this thread, let's just disagree and let it end?
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Viviane
im not talking about the cults, just the books. I've said this I don't know how many times.
The books are about a middle eastern death cult that has evolved into a global death cult. They are inseparable. Saying over and over they are not the same doesn't make it true.
I don't remember his exact words but his point was everybody hears different things and messages from the same thing. I.e., you guys can't separate the cults from their books so you keep saying I'm defending islam or talking about Muslims or Christians and while I have mentioned them on the side the thrust of my comments was concerning the books not the people.
I've never said any of that. It's a death cult, that's what the books are about. You've denied that you are religious and then said you believe in Jesus, punishment from heaven, the Messiah and said other Christians have it wrong.
You're trying to make a distinction without a difference. Goose/gander.
Lets just let it be, we are beating a dead horse here. If you've all read these books and think they say something different than I do, and are ok with this and believe you are 100% right and there's no room for doubt you got it wrong then there's no point in further discussion
If you don't want to discuss your death cult of choice, you are free to stop posting on a discussion board.
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Twitch
This is the most utterly ridiculous argument about the most nonsensical thing ever. You could be helping other people and making the world a better place instead of arguing about a middle eastern death cult.
How ironic
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TerryWalstrom
Twitch, take it easy, Bro!
Tell us who you're directing the pointy end of the stick toward.
I must say the original topic has engendered some wacky, waving, inflatable, arm-waving tubeman contortions!
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cofty
the thrust of my comments was concerning the books not the people
Yes and both the bible and the quran are violent, misogynistic, homophobic, hate-filled, dehumanising, anti-scientific, superstitious, pieces of garbage.
One was recited by a child rapist and the other by a bunch of illiterate, Iron-age goat herders.
I could write better moral guides in half an hour.
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Jonathan Drake
Viviane3 hours ago
im not talking about the cults, just the books. I've said this I don't know how many times.
The books are about a middle eastern death cult that has evolved into a global death cult. They are inseparable. Saying over and over they are not the same doesn't make it true.
Man this thread...
So the problem with this statement, and I know that you know history because you've elsewhere proven you are familiar with it, is that the books came first. The cults were a later development, the sects were a later development - and these formed because of one man or a small group convincing other followers of the books that they meant something or were saying something that is absolutely insane. Upon this reasoning the, as you are calling them, "death cults" formed. But the fact is that not everyone draws the same conclusion from the books as these radical Muslims or the extreme Christians. You surely must know this, and the fact being true shows that (while the books could use some updated jargon and culture) the problem has never been the books. The books didn't direct these people to do insane things, the people reached these conclusions all on their own and of their own reasoning and efforts.
For this reason, they are separate because the fact that there are a vast majority of followers of these books that don't agree with the crazy people shows the book is not the issue.
