by gringojj 126 Replies latest jw friends
Am I not speaking the same language as everyone here?
Stats show that marriages fail at the general rate of 50% or higher ... no matter ones religion.
My POINT is ... more similarities between mates gives a better chance of success .. religion is one.
Preaching does not have any signifigance to this topic.
Some statistics on the success of interfaith marriages.
I've seen elders refuse an honest request. Several times. And the questions did not come from me. They came from my struggling and sincere JW husband.
AFIN if you read the earlier posts in this thread you will see that i indeed went to the elders. They said they would not answer my questions because they felt they were from apostates. My one question is simple. Did the WTS misquote people in the creation book to support thier beliefs? My wife and I know the answer is yes because we checked the original aticles. Now if they answer the question with a no they are lying. If they answer yes they prove they arent honest. Or maybe the elders havent checked this out for themselves yet and are too afraid to look and find out the real truth. I think deep down any semi-intelligent jw, such as u AFIN, have thier doubts about the religion. If you had no doubts about it you would answer that question for me. But obviously AFIN you are too scared right now to admit your religion is based on crap. And if you had no doubts u wouldnt be lurking around this board. You are looking for something here. Maybe you are looking for proof that the WTS is real. Or maybe the proof that it isnt. I feel bad for you in a way AFIN, holding onto to something as truth so dearly but deep down doubting it. Mustbe tough. Oh well maybe one day you will be able to show the world the real AFIN.
Well maybe the elders you approached are very intelligent .. to think your question is from apostates. You were obviously easy to see through.
Why are you so concerned with my well being? I'm here once in a while because I want to be. Today I felt I could be of some help to your wife, but it is obvious that is a ruse on your part. I doubt she ever sees this site.
On the other hand, you may have some real fears .. your wife may choose her religion over you. In the end she has to decide for herself and I hope she does the right thing.
I had to laugh when you said you feel sorry for me in a way .. maybe that's the missdirected pathetic recognition you thought I was after. Please, save your sorrow for yourself and your family. I am very secure in my feelings and knowledge of the truth. If I had doubts, I would be asking here for answers ... instead I try to give a few. And as Angaharad (sp?) said not too long ago ... I am welcome here too. If you see it differently, speak to her.
AFIN I love my wife and for that reason there is never a decision of choose the religion or me. I am not scared of what I believe and am up to any challenge. I told my wife if she gets baptised when our kids ask questions she can tell them her view and I will tell them mine. They can take both sides and make the decision based on who has the facts. You have every right to be here because JWD doesnt disclude anyone on the basis of what they believe. Unlike the WTS, here you can ask any question, and nobody has to be afraid about being an independent thinker or questioning things. That is a beautiful thing and maybe you come here to get that because its not in the org. There are times when the facts speak for themselves. The question I asked reveals fact. I think jws get very scared when facts come into play and they have to answer with truth. Its easier to not answer the question, as you and the org have chosen to do, then face the facts. Sort of like when you know your hubby is cheating, and you know where his mistress lives and that hes there, you could drive by and see his car, but you dont. You rest on the faith that maybe he isnt. In your mind, as long as you havent proved it, there is a chance he isnt cheating. Its easier to go on believing maybe he isnt, but deep down you know he is. You dont ask him if hes cheating, cause your afraid of the answer. If the affair becomes public, you have to admit to all your freinds, family, community, that you were too blind to see it was happening, and feel the shame of being cheated on. Its the exact same thing. Very hard to do.
So, AFIN, are you ascribing supreme intelligence to the elders, then, when they refuse an honest request? Is that the justification you would use for the elders who have brushed my JW husband off?
I've never seen an elder refuse to answer any honest request, in fact they are most happy to.
I have. 3 weeks ago I asked the an elder and a pioneer to answer for me how the JW explains the claim that Christ returned in 1914 with Matthew 23:26. And if it is true that they claimed He returned in 1874.
Matthew 24:23-26
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"Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU. 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe itI asked how the JW explains Luke 21:8 in light of the claims that the "due time had approached" in 1914, 1925, and 1975. I guess you could go for the old stand-by, "the light will get brighter". BUt the problem is that is for the righteous. Jesus was talking about false prophets!!!
Luke 21:8
8 He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.
The funny thing is they never got back to me on it. They just acted like I never asked.
to think your question is from apostates
How could a question be apostate? Can a question join and then renounce a religion/cult? A question in itself is only a request for information.
How could "the truth" ever fear and justify refusing such a request?
When I said the elders saw thru you so easily .. I was so right!!! You are virtually transparent. Your feeble attempt to make me feel bad because hubby may be cheating is absolutely laughable!!!
As I said before, your situation is very serious. You know as well as anyone that your wife will likely return to her origins .. most of us do after a few rebellious years. That will be a blow to your ego. And if you try to stop her you will likely lose her for sure. If you stop her also, in time, she will blame you, so you lose again.
jgnat ... how could I possibly know anything about your husband and his situation?
