Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

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  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    "Celebrated WT scholars" ? Uh, yeah...right.

    Got any names ? Doesn't seem like I remember seeing any signatures on all those grade school articles I read in my 35 years in the Troof. Why don't they sign ? You know as well as the rest of us...deniability. Just like all the crap about Aluminum cookware and vaccinations, blood fractions, organ transplants, Alternative (to military) Service, the "Generation" lie, 1975, 1975, 1975, did I mention 1975 ?, etc, etc, etc.

    If I was one of those "Celebrated WT scholars," I would be embarrassed to sign my name to that unstable, dangerous rag, too !

    Rabbit ( Graduate of Watchtower & Awake School - BS Degree )

    Now, re-educated.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Alleymom

    Marjorie

    You ask me for opinion regarding the Society's use of the Babylonian regnal data and I state that the matter can only be provisional.

    Indeed the primary source documents are impressive but such documents are falsified by the twenty year gap when compared to biblical history and also do not account for Neb's seven year absence during his kingship. Therefore, the documents are not infallible history but can merely be used as a guide with historical but limited chronological value. Josephus also had access to such documents and he assigns 18 years for Evil Merodach so there is a problem here. Also for students of biblical history, Josephus is a more trusted source as he is mainly interested in preserving a history of his nation so his objective coin cides with Bible Students today who have a similar interest in the history of Israel. This present debate is really not about Babylonian history but the history of Israel namely when Jerusalem fell as pivotal date for the purposes of chronology.

    scholar JW

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Scholar said:

    Josephus is a more trusted source as he is mainly interested in preserving a history of his nation so his objective coin cides with Bible Students today who have a similar interest in the history of Israel.

    In that case, please indicate which 50 years Josephus indicated for which the temple was desolated in Against Apion?

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    What difference does a phony date make anyway. Where in the bible does it say that Chist would come back and sit in heaven and appoint a bunch of old religious nuts in Brooklyn to herd up a bunch of people to be book salesmen. When the nuts in Brooklyn mentioned 1975 as the appropriate time for the end to come was this the result of God's spirit working on their minds or did they just forget to vote on it? The spirit of God must have been a little confusing when it told them what a generation was back in 1914. God must have been busy elswhere in 1925 and forgot to resurrect the "faithful men of old." When 1914 came and Armageddon didn't happen he forgot to tell the nut in charge back then that it was invisible to humans and Christ would wait hundreds of years before he did anything, just sit around on his throne with his 144,000(well maybe a few thousand short) and talk about the weather.

    I think I will go fishing or something, I'm tired of selling magazines and books. Oh! I forgot, I did that about 30 years ago.

    Ken P.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    Josephus says in Against Apion that the city lay desolate during the interval of seventy years until the days of Cyrus the Persian not fifty years.

    scholar JW

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider

    SCHOLAR! You are wrong, wrong, wrong again! - although I can understand why you were mistaken, there is one place in Josephus where it says that Nebuhcadnessar, while he was still crown prince, initiated the siege on Jerusalem on the orders of his father, and then destroyed it. However, in that particular passage, the nature of that siege, or how long it lasted, is not mentioned! You should then read "Antiquities of the Jews, book X, chapter 8", in which we read Josephus full description of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple:

    "5. And now it was that the king of Babylon sent Nebuzaradan, the general of his army, to Jerusalem, to pillage the temple, who had it also in command to burn it and the royal palace, and to lay the city even with the ground, and to transplant the people into Babylon. Accordingly, he came to Jerusalem in the eleventh year of king Zedekiah, and pillaged the temple, and carried out the vessels of God, both gold and silver, and particularly that large laver which Solomon dedicated, as also the pillars of brass, and their chapiters, with the golden tables and the candlesticks; and when he had carried these off, he set fire to the temple in the fifth month, the first day of the month, in the eleventh year of the reign of Zedekiah, and in the eighteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar: he also burnt the palace, and overthrew the city".

    Perhaps you should do your homework before you come on claiming that Josephus supports the WTS`s claim!

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    I was watching The History Channel with my kids...and out of the blue...they mention the destruction of Jerusalem in 587BCE (yes..they said BCE)...just like the Dubbies.

    They literally exhausted the FACT that 587 was the date...without ever mentioning 607BCE as a disputed or even contending date..there was no question of the accurateness.

    Certainly if this matter were open to argument...it would have been presented. It was not.

    Only the WTS uses this date...NO ONE ELSE DOES.

    Just like they're the only ones to have so many wierd...self elevating and "seperating" teachings...it's called a CULT people!

    u/d (of the former WTS apologist class)

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    (Off-topic)

    Pole & Marjorie, Thanks for the technical suggestions -- even though implementing the first one of them was a death blow to my (already damaged) graphic card -- that's why I was offline for a couple of days

    a_ Christian, you reminded me of a_Christian who also signed as "Mike" if I remember correctly (we had a discussion on Genesis some time ago). Coincidence or new account? Nice to "see" you anyway (even though I would not agree with your suggestion on "times").

    End of digression, let the scholariana go on...

  • a_ Christian
    a_ Christian

    Nark,

    I'm the same a_Christian. Why the board has started treating me like a newbie I don't know. I haven't posted in quite a while. Maybe that's it. But since I was given a newbie welcome by some here who I was new to I accepted their newbie welcome.

    By the way, I did not offer up my "times" suggestion for the purpose of saying this is how the Bible should be understood or to say this is how I understand the Bible. I only made this off-beat suggestion to demonstrate that there might be other ways of understanding the Bible's use of the word "times" other than just assuming that it must mean "years." However, I do believe this interpretation of the Bible's use of the word "times" is just as reasonable as the Watchtower's interpretation of any passages of scripture in which the word "times" appears. But then that is not saying much, is it?

    Mike

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    Josephus says in Against Apion that the city lay desolate during the interval of seventy years until the days of Cyrus the Persian not fifty years.

    Josephus refers to both 'seventy years' and 'fifty years' in Against Apion. He says that Jerusalem was desolate during the seventy years, and he says that the temple was in a state of obscurity for fifty years. This is consistent with the exile occuring during Babylon's 70 years as world power, and it is consistent with 50 years from 587 to 537 for which the temple was desolated. So I will ask again, for which fifty years do you suggest, according to the Society's interpretations, that the temple was in a state of obscurity during the seventy years .

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