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  They have nothing to loose by shunning

  by garybuss in

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  if my attitude toward the shunners is to be waiting for them with a full pardon, waiting for them to quit shunning me so i can shower them with love as their reward for being jerks, they have nothing to lose by continuing the shunning.

  they don't have a dog in the fight.

  if children who shun parents were notified by the parents that they will loose their inheritance if they continue the shunning, all of a sudden they have something to loose by shunning.. .

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  When I see someone I know is a jw. I make a point to go out of my way to say hello. Some are friendly and some seem to be afraid, others look just like deer in the head lights.

  The lie is dead. We do recover.
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  Do any of you start humming a Kingdon tune out of the blue?

  by Singing Man in

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  do any of you start humming a kingdon tune out of the blue?

  i do from time to time, i love music you can take any key and there will be a kingdom song that starts with it.

  that is how i learned how to play a harmonica was by remembering the tunes of jehovah's witness's.

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  no in fact i just recently went to a web site that was playing kingdom melodys, and it creeped me out.
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  Did You Ever Tell An Elder Off??? How Did It Feel???

  by minimus in

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  some comments here, suggest regret---that you were afraid of these simple men.

  have you ever told an elder off?

  what was the result?

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  oh yea, it felt good to be rid of them
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  Did You Ever Tell An Elder Off??? How Did It Feel???

  by minimus in

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  some comments here, suggest regret---that you were afraid of these simple men.

  have you ever told an elder off?

  what was the result?

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  my last contact was a visit from the circuit overseer and two elders, i wouldnt let them in my house they told my that there were serious matters that needed to be talked about. i told them that i would only respound to questions submitted to my lawyer in writing. funny i never heard back from them..
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  My story

  by SC_Guy in

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  dear friends, .

  i belive i signed up to this fourm a month or so ago, yet i find that durning this time it has taken some time for me to come up with a way for me to share what has happend in my breif period of living.

  my parents moved out of that area when i knew harold by the way.

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  sc: my name is joel i also have only started posting here in the last few days, and from what i have seen i think you will be able to find much support here. thank you so much for sharing your story.
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  Thinking of writing a letter

  by jumper in

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  i am thinking of writing a letter of disasociation, sometimes when faced with a hard decision i make a list, a lot of times it takes a number of lists befor i get any clearity.

  here is my list so far.. 1) do i really need to in order to recover?

  its been almost 8 years doesnt time help to heal?.

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  I am thinking of writing a letter of disasociation, sometimes when faced with a hard decision I make a list, a lot of times it takes a number of lists befor I get any clearity. Here is my list so far.

  1) Do I really need to in order to recover? Its been almost 8 years doesnt time help to heal?

  2) Who will it efect? My whole family is still in the org. I know that this decision would have a impact on my relationships with each one of them. Probably the only ones Iam concerned with are my parents, its taken along time to get past all the shunning, at least the out right "you dont exist" kind. My elder brother has recently let me know that he and his wife are not interested, in having any kind of social interactions with me. I told him that I was not waiting for him to not be a jw to have a relationship, and that I hope that he wasnt waiting for me to be one. His reply to me was."We have dedicated our lifes to Jehovah" I took that to mean, there is not going to be any chance of us having relationship. I took it upon my self to read between the lines.

  3) What are my motives? I want to heal.

  Thats it so far. Iam sure that I have just scratched the surface. thanks for your input.
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  Are we there yet ?

  by jumper in

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  this might date me, but here goes.

  in 1974 i was eight years old i can remember my parents egerly looking forword to the big "a" there were many preperation to be maid, we stocked up on large cans of goverment surpluse welfair food, we set aside books & magz my mom though we should bury them, my dad said it would be safe enough just to hide them under the house, (he did'nt want to dig the hole).

  when back to school time came around they were considering keeping us out of school, and there was much talk about who we would first get to talk to among the risen dead.

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  This might date me, but here goes. In 1974 I was eight years old I can remember my parents egerly looking forword to the big "A" there were many preperation to be maid, we stocked up on large cans of goverment surpluse welfair food, we set aside books & magz my mom though we should bury them, my dad said it would be safe enough just to hide them under the house, (he did'nt want to dig the hole).

  When back to school time came around they were considering keeping us out of school, and there was much talk about who we would first get to talk to among the risen dead. WOW WHAT A TRIP !!! Needless to say new shoes and the skteboard I wanted would not be needed in the new system. So there was'nt much for a kid to do but wait. It seemed as if our lifes were on hold like a car trip that lasted a year. I got new shoes and a skatebord in 1975. But we heald off on getting braces for my teeth.

  What a long strange trip it's been
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  I have a hard time blaming the Watchtower

  by spiritwalker in

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  " if the watchtower said it, and the men on the platform preached it, then it must have been true.

  so it was very hard to accept as an adult, that they were wrong.

  i blame myself.

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  jumper

  going bankrupt = my fault

  eating to much ice cream = my fault

  staying loaded 10 years = my fault

  feeling I never fit in = not my fault

  being afraid God was going to kill me = not my fault

  being batered for not ansewering at the wt. study = not my fault

  being untrusting and afraid to reach out to other people = unavoidable
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  Getting drunk a sin?

  by Coop Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have a pretty interesting perspective on this.....especially since i once had all of my privledges removed because i had admitted to an elder that i was hungover..... the scriptures state that drunkards will not inherit gods' kingdom, nor will gluttons.... gluttony is the practice of over-eating, much the same is being a drunkard is one who is continuously drunk.

  so, in my feeble mind, getting drunk "once-in-a-while" is not a sin, just the same as overeating at mcdonalds or at grandma's house is not a sin.. am i incorrect in my reasoning?.

  thanks to all participants.

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  Getting drunk no, wasting your life yes.
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  I thought I was over it .

  by jumper in

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  my name is joel i was raised as a jw, dunked at tweleve years old df 'ed at 17, 19, & 21 and then back in at 24 my father was an elder, my mother was the perfect model of subjection.

  four times a week we would all put on our smiles and go to the kingdom hall the book study and out in service.

  dressed impecably, and always well prepaired, all seemed as it should be, but at home things were crazy.. im sure that my experance is much like many of yours.

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  My name is Joel I was raised as a jw, dunked at tweleve years old df 'ed at 17, 19, & 21 and then back in at 24 my father was an elder, my mother was the perfect model of subjection. Four times a week we would all put on our smiles and go to the kingdom hall the book study and out in service. Dressed impecably, and always well prepaired, All seemed as it should be, but at home things were crazy.

  Im sure that my experance is much like many of yours. I have been inactive now for almost nine years and only in just the last few months have I started to see what a huge effect my upbringing has had on me, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally. You see I thought I could just walk away, Walk away as if it were a church, every where I went it came with me, from the time I got up to the time I went to bed, If I went on vacation it would come too. What is it? Its fear, its worthlessness, its knowing that I'll never live up, its shame, its guilt, its selflothing. And its not mine anymore! All those feelings were given to me, they did not come from within a perfect child of God/dess. So I will give them back now, I have no use for them anymore. I was the victum of my parents obsession, my whole life I took those feelings on as my truth. Through all the shunning, all the beatings, all the put downs, all the isolation, through all of it, I never blamed the jws, I did'nt even get mad. I came to this site looking for info on deprograming and when I started reading I got pisted, anger flooded over my whole body. For the first time my anger was in the right place, "Its was on them" not on me.

  Thanks for a safe place to dump!