Posts by zack

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What Excuses Did You Use To Get Out Of Meetings & Service?

by minimus in

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most persons that i knew used either sickness or work as an excuse.......what about you??

?

zack

Since I put my fading plan in place, I no longer offer excuses. I simply told the people I was close to that I was no longer going to 3 meetings

a week, with feild service every Saturday, and 3 assemblies a year for the next 30 years. They can love me or leave me(their choice), but I'm not going, not

playing the game and I told them I didn't feel guilty about it, not one bit. Only one of them asked me "what about doing what Jehovah wants?" (I was still an elder at this point)

So I told them I didn't have an issue doing what God wanted. It's what men wanted that I would no longer do. Some of them were upset. They think

I am heading straight for the lake of fire. I have never been more at peace. So, no excuses and no worries for me.

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Are the anointed declared righteous? While Great Crowd is not?

by M.J. in

in the revelation bookstudy this week, there was a subtle suggestion of another fundamental difference between members of the 144,000 and the great crowd:.

*** re chap.

9 p. 46 pars.

zack

The WTS makes that differetiation in order to uphold their FDS doctrine. How much sense does it really make to give one group of people "IMMORTALITY' (the anointed)

and the other group only conditional approval when both groups have to endure the same things? What's more, the only way for the great crowd to get "everlasting" life is to endure yet another test at the end of 1000 years. So, pass 1 test get immortality. But if you pass 2 tests, you get mortal life on Earath--- but you can be zappped into Gehenna at any moment for any infraction the "new" scrolls will make known.

A drunk came up with that!

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My Life After Bethel Experience Part 4

by new boy in

her dad come out to see us 2 years later.

plus his new wife hated jehovah's witnesses for some reason.

for a lack of a rider the battle was lost!.

zack

I'm so glad you and your Dad are friends. This religion is so hateful. Well, God watches--- and waits. The WT is in for much judgement.

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What's the difference between humans and animals if there is no God

by JH in

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if there is no god, does this make us the most intelligent animal?.

zack

Humas pay taxes.

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How do I use the "Anointed are nothing special" info

by OnTheWayOut in

the recent thread about the upcoming qfr on the anointed, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/130668/1.ashx.

discusses the possibilities on what the borg are up to.

okay, whatever, but i want to use the information to my advantage.

zack

This will open the mind of some who like you and i were intellectually ready to listen. I had lunch with a great JW friend only two days ago and

brought up this issue. This is a JW that is just wanting "permission" to leave the Org, However, this friend's response to me after much conversation

was; "Jehovah is using an Org. and this is the best one i available."

Honestly, how can one argue intelligently with that reasoning, when even people like this friend of mine reduce God to picking the lesser of one evil over other evils?

Zack----

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Glass Clinking Still from Satan per latest QFR

by Open mind in

my wife and i have for many years thought that glass clinking was soon going to go the way of wind chimes and pinatas.

we were both blown away by the recent "questions from readers" saying that toasting is still the work of the devil and not for christians.. i even had an elder in my hall admit the logic didn't really hold up.

anyway, i thought it was definitely "food at the proper time" .

zack

I just read this QFR and it is ridiculous to condemn people who honestly are requesting that the Christian God bless a couple.

Exactly. God makes it rain and makes the sun shine upon the wicked and the good. The majority of people are just trying to gey by and find a little

comfort and happiness in a life that is all too short and problem plagued. Why condemn them?

The WTS is reprehensible.

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WERE YOU EVER TOLD TO LIE TO POTENTIAL CONVERTS?

by badboy in

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any takers?

zack

Yes. Everything I ever said from a Watchtower was a lie.

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Ex-Jehovahs WitnessesAngels With Dirty Faces?

by The wanderer in

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ex-jehovahs witnessesangels with dirty faces?anyone who is familiar with the jehovahs witnesses .

religion knows how the watchtower society views fallen angels.. .

they view individuals who leave the truth as weak malcontents that share no appreciation for god or spiritual matters.

zack

As an elder I would frequently look out at a Sunday crowd and see what? People on their 2nd and 3rd marraiges. People disfellowshipped, reprooved,etc... for

adultery, fornication, criminal activity, etc..... In essence, sinners. You can sin all you want and still be in the Org. As a matter of fact, what I failed to see was

kindness, mercy, compassion, honor. Instead there was gossip, strife,jealousy, judgment, conformity---- always the lowest possible denominator. I saw people

praising the Faithful and Discreet Slave without any thought as to what they were doing or saying. They would make bold staements that everything in the WT was from Jehovah.

Everything, I guess, except the false prophecies, the failed predictions, the ever changing "truth."

Jesus said that God approved those who worshipped Him with spirit and with Truth. When I found out the Org, had neither, I planned my exit. The WT

can say whatever it wants. They are anti-Christ and anti-truth and certainly have none of God's spirit. Remember, God watches----- and waits.

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JW told us: Actually only 800 Annointed left!!

by Lady Liberty in

just recieved a e-mail from a active jw friend.

my mom was talking to a friend from bethal and they were talking about the number of the 144,000 that are left(..... and i talked briefly about this)and how they feel that there are actually less then 800and remember .....i said there had been a talk or something on it?

well i guess it was a wt article that we studied(well i knew i had heard it somewhere!

zack

The WT is always qualifying things:

GENUINE Annointed

GENUINE Christians

GENUINE Repentance

GENUINE Service

Basically,something is only "GENUINE" if THEY say it is.

It's all so silly.

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This board is not for me.

by Wafe in

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when i came to this board, i thought that it was for encouragement amoung people who had been treated badly by the wtbts, i did not understand that people were going to come here and bash god, his son and the bible.

i could understand some embitterment over religion but some of you people are down right insulting.

not to mention the fact that i have tried to contact others on the board and have had my messages ignored.. .

zack

I hope you find people who help strengthen your faith in and your belief in God.

My experience from lurking on here for a couple years before I began posting, is that what may seem as an attack on God is actually an attack on an ancient

writer's explanation of God. If they criticize the Bible, maybe they do so because some of the passages in it are not reconcilable with God, the Creator. It is

entirely possible for many things in the Bible to be just an opinion of the writer, shaped by his life's experiences.

Whatever your goals are, I wish you well. At least you woke up from the control of the WT. I am a beleiver in Christ and in his Father; I am no longer a fanatic

when it comes to defending them, however. They are both big and tough and can take care of themselves. I'll take care to live as I believe these two wish

for men to live.

Peace brother.