Posts by dubstepped

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Is this doctrine still in in effect?

by WasOnceBlind in

so something i never knew was the fact jw's were taught that jesus is only the mediator for the anointed class and not for everyone.

i only found this out after reading "crisis of conscience" and i was actually pretty shocked to learn so.

if that is the case, when they pray why even bother saying the words "in the name of jesus christ we ask"?

dubstepped

I'm just hearing of this for the first time. I guess I'm not sure what the implications then would be for me personally if I'm of the Great Crowd. Can anyone shed light on that?

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I disfellowshipped my parents this week..

by fulano in

i just wrote them a mail, telling them to not contact me any more under any circumstances, illness or death (79 and 83 years old).

unless they leave the cult and would apologize for our f*'.ed-up upbringing which ruined our whole life.

I don't judge you at all. You have every right to your feelings. People put parents up on a magical pedestal and take crap from them that they'd never take from anyone else simply because they birthed them and now owe them something. Yeah, I know, you're supposed to respect your parents. Of course, they're supposed to hold up their end of that bargain first, and if they don't, then maybe they don't earn that respect. Plenty of parents abuse their kids and then think they're owed something after messing up their kids. None of us can judge whether what you did was harsh because none of us knows what your life was like or your relationship with them. I can identify on some level with wanting to disfellowship them first.

Oh, and by the way, don't they have to apologize for like a year or so first, before you'll speak with them again. Right their wrongs. Maybe come over for dinner and watch you eat while being ignored. That's more in line with the terminology that you used.

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W 15 july - members of others religions not destroyed???

by paradisebeauty in

please tell me what do you understand from this quote that is taken from w july 2015, the article your deliverance is close paragraph 5.. i understand that not all members of other religions will be destroyed at armageddon.

i talked to a jw.

he says he understands differently: they will not be destroyed when the babylon the great will be destroyed but they will be destroyed in armageddon.

dubstepped

fukitol said:
Even if the JW's are right and 98% of the planet's population are massacred at Armageddon, who the f*ck would want to worship a God like that? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Satan would be the one laughing, he would be the one vindicated. He would have proved that God had to kill nearly all of the human race at Armageddon. A global genocide against his own imperfect human creation. What sort of vindication is that? Satan would've proved that Jehovah and Jesus are planetary genocidal maniacs. Didn't Jesus say he came to save the world not destroy it? God may as well just have wiped out Adam and Eve at the beginning and started again, cuz after 6,000 years he proved squat since he had to wipe them all out anyway.
I may as well worship Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler.

My wife and I have had discussions about this, though in a different way. Why would Jehovah send his only begotten Son, and why would that Son come to earth to die, just so that he could wipe out everyone? That makes no sense. He wants to forgive enough to go through all of those steps and heartache, but just so that he can turn around later and kill everyone? Not that those steps are to be taken lightly and to be used as an excuse to live any way that we like, but certainly they wouldn't go through all of that just to throw away well meaning humans like common trash. I've heard brothers say before that people can be sincere, but still be sincerely wrong, and be on the outside looking in when it counts. So a loving father is going to kill his kids because they searched for him and thought they found him but were wrong. Like someone else said, Jehovah doesn't desire for any to be destroyed, and there was a point made years ago that Jehovah sees us for the person we could be if we were perfect. If those things are true, then it can't be a matter of dubbage or death, being one of JWs and survive or anything else and it's curtains for you.

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It came in today's mail

by Virgochik in

it came today, the dreaded envelope containing my personal copy of "return to jehovah" from my elderly, desperate mother.

it included a small note asking me to read it over and to let her know what i think.

she got it at her assembly.. firstly, i'm angry that she continues to push her religion on me, given that i stopped attending meetings over thirty years ago, and very offended that she assumes that i still want to be a witness, which is her choice of religion, not mine.

dubstepped

I think I understand why it bothers the OP so much. She isn't seen by her mom for who she is. She has to hide who she is. Everything revolves around keeping her mom happy in this way so that they can have a relationship. If you can't be you when having a relationship, what kind of relationship is it really? One based on lies?

I hate how JW's act like the world revolves around them. They can push their beliefs on you, but you can't say anything. If your life apart from them goes well, it is just because Satan transforms himself into an angel of light and is blessing you to keep you out there in his wicked world. If it goes badly, see what happens when you turn away from Jehovah and go into Satan's world? They've got all of the bases covered and you have to play their game in order to make any relationships work. So I don't really have any advice other than to stick it out since you've played that game this long, I guess.

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when you were a JW what did you do with your fortune cookie?? LOL

by James Mixon in

someone who is not familiar with jw none sense would think, are you.

serious, a fortune cookie.

is there a scripture that say you will be destroyed when.

dubstepped

I always read them, though I never made a display of it because others might be freaked out. I just found them amusing.

One day we were eating at a restaurant with an older couple from the hall. It happened to be father's day, and he could have been my father, and was mistaken as such. They didn't like that. I could understand why the waiter thought such and just moved on. The restaurant hired a magician to entertain the various tables, and he came to ours. He did some basic magic trick, and they didn't like that. However, because we were such good participants, he gave us each a magic fish (can't remember what it was, but it had a fortune in it). He just casually threw one down in front of each of us. He might as well have thrown venomous snakes on the table by their reaction, which was hilarious. They both backed away from the table in extreme fear that it was going to get them in some way. My wife just picked them up and put them in her purse to get the mean, scary trinkets off the table. They were relieved, and I guess not worried that my wife now had the devil in her purse. Good times.

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are ministryideaz apostates?

by sneekyapostate in

are ministry ideaz book binders apostates cos its plastered all over the net haha?.

ministryideaz.com - meeting & service supply.

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dubstepped

I always giggle when I see their ads on here. Yeah, I'm a guy and I said giggle, deal with it. Anyway, I always click their ads. I figure it costs them a few pennies on the ad revenue and makes this site a little over time.

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My experience of christians and religion

by Doltologist in

one or two of you have noticed that i use derogatory terms when talking about matters religion.

i offer no apology.

you do, however, deserve an explanation.. my father, bless him and now dead, was a survivor of belsen, the german concentration camp.

dubstepped

I'll admit to not having read all of this thread. I read a page or two, which is more than I usually read from the Dolt. I was once talking with someone and they told me that I needed to change from an attitude of "this needs to be said" to one of "this needs to be received". Dolt, if you actually want to reach anyone, drop the Christards and religtards or whatever sophomoric names you want to call people that are different from you. If you just want to talk to people that think just like you, then you don't need to take anyone else into consideration and you can keep beating your drum for only those that can hear it to hear. You'll never change anyone or anything because you'll shut people down before they ever give you a chance. I see you as a smart guy, and I read this one post of yours because I wanted to know your story. Thanks for sharing it. I can see that you've been hurt by religion. I see why you hate it so much. Of course, you choose to only focus on the hurt that religion has perpetrated on the human race, but there is also much good done in the name of religion. I know you don't want to hear that, but it is true, and you're certainly intelligent enough to be able to grasp both sides and find some balance.

Do you want to say what you want to say and leave it at that? Or, do you want to be heard by people and actually make some sort of difference? If you don't want to speak to people that are different in a way in which they can hear, you're not accomplishing anything, which certainly doesn't seem very logical. Why waste your time?

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PERFECTION (ISM) leaves no trace of YOU

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

the problem of perfection(ism).

the best piece of advice i got was from my art teacher, aubrey mayhew.he told me, "art isn't about 'getting it right.

' it's about your mistaken views which you give yourself permission to explore.".

dubstepped

Nice post. Perfectionism is all about ego. Appearance over substance. Being right often at the expense of being happy. It is cold and unfeeling. Been there, done that, got the wasted years and ruined relationships and scars to prove it. As I shed more and more of the ego and perfectionism, I actually found who I am at my core. I like that person much more than the judgemental ego I had become.

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Interview with an Apostate: Muddy Waters

by Muddy Waters in

were you a born in or a convert?.

i began studying with a pioneer sister when i was 20 years old, my life had just gone to total sh*t (my husband had recently left me, was all alone with our young babies, and was very depressed).

"the truth" sounded so wonderful, the jws were so helpful, kind and supportive.

dubstepped

the District Conventions started to bother me. I realize they need to speak more slowly because of the large space and loud-speaker feedback, but after awhile, the brothers sounded so phoney and insincere. "Brothers and Sisters, are we not happy to be blessed with such a spiritual paradise? Where else can we find such living waters of truth…? Do you not agree that we have the best education in the world? Are we not taught by Jehovah himself through his organization today?" (insert grand gestures from the platform, as the speaker holds out his arms in a welcoming gesture and waits for applause…) It made me feel like that Pharisee who prayed how thankful he was to not be like the sinners around him…

It was so nice to see someone else point this out. It has bothered me since I was a little kid. Nobody talks like that! The same goes for the way that publications were worded. It was overly dramatic and out of touch. How are people supposed to connect to such robotic deliveries of words? I always felt like a freak because I couldn't connect with the way that the organization in its many facets would express itself. I would see others that were feeling it, but finally came to realize that's because most romanticize the whole thing. It is fantasy and they're buying into it as such. Much like a lady reading a romance novel and thinking that some guy with rippling muscles is going to whisk her away to a deserted island for romance and lovemaking while fulfilling every physical and emotional need she could ever have. That's not real. Real life is bills and stress and schedules and trying to fit in romance and relationships within the context of life's circumstances. The organization spoke in hyperbole and with drama and fantasy at the fore, neglecting how life really is in favor of keeping up appearances.

But then, when we rehearsed it at the Assembly Hall, the DO changed it all. The experience ended up being nothing like mine or what I had gone through. He said he wanted to do it that way because it would help "more" people in the circuit, based on various needs of the circuit. So it was like a "conglomerate experience" which would apply to more people and thus have larger impact and benefit. I actually went along with it, though on the stage, I felt like such a LIAR. There I was, just acting out a part, and it didn't even apply to my situation anymore.

Ah, you too. I was on district conventions and circuit assemblies and remember being interviewed. If my story or my goals weren't high enough, they would press me to up the ante. Gotta make that story fit the fantasy. We can't deal in actual truth up there on the platform. Everything has to always work out and in the end the goal has to be the highest possible. Nobody ever says that their goal is to eventually get married and start a family and settle down. They want to pioneer and serve at Bethel and become a traveling overseer or missionary. The brother giving one of the parts and the overseer at the time made it clear that my goals weren't high enough at rehearsal. My wife met up with similar fate. In her case, however, it wasn't that anyone said anything, the pressure was just there. The young sister up there with her wanted to go to Bethel. That was taken, and my wife had to have something to say, so she went with Gilead as her goal. Pioneer isn't enough, and to just be a wife and/or mother would be downright shameful.

Thanks for sharing your story. I identified with a lot of it and really feel your pain and disappointment. You seem to have a pretty good attitude about it all. Best wishes on your future!

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I was 'witnessed(tm)' to

by punkofnice in

i was walking to town and i was approached by a smart young man.

"can i interest you in this," he said and handed me a small card with jw.org printed on it.. "oh, blimey," i said.

"i'm an athiest.

dubstepped

Well, if it has been prophesied, there's no use fighting it anymore then is there? Cake for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and of course, dessert. Thanks punk, if that's not light getting brighter I don't know what is.