i can still remember when i first posted all those years ago.
i was still an active jw but was drawn to the amazing conversations (and fights) on jwd.
h2o was dwindling and the refugees were coming here.
It is amazing that I still feel like a newbie some days.
It is hard to imagine you sometimes feel like a NEWBIE. You are such a PRO!
We all are better off with you here.
THANK YOU for your intelligence and time!!!
THREE CHEERS FOR BLONDIE!!!
HIP HIP HOORAY X 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife and I look forward to meeting you at BRCI this summer!
EyeDrEvil
i as much as anyone would love to see them fall flat on their hypocritical behinds, but what would really be the outcome?
there are those who have spent their entire lives in the org.
and many of these are elderly, and basically have only the org.
1. Somebody would be extremely rich. The WTS has massive holdings in real estate wealth.
2. There would be millions more voters available to vote Bush out of office this fall (one can only hope!)
3. Lots of depressed / lost souls ==== good day for therapists! :-)
4. Mormon missionaries would have a monopoly on the "annoying knock on your door" racket. (Hell, they are already winning that battle!)
5. Sure, some splinter groups will gel... Have at it, fellas!
EyeDrEvil
i recieved a 7 page "note" from my brother and his wife pleading with me to come back to jehovah god and his organization.
he said the devil was after me and my family and that the results will be disastrous unless i come back to "jehovah's protective custody".
also, it was strongly implied that unless my family went back to meetings and went out in field service, most jws, including family members would not attend my daughter's wedding and reception.my wife, daughter and i have been overtaken by the devil, according to him.
Minimus,
Sorry to hear about the "note." The "please Please PLEASE" tone had to be rough to handle. It makes you wonder how it would be if things were flipped --- you (or any of us) begging our family to come back to the 'Org... It must be hard for him, thinking he is doing the right thing... While really so caught up in the smoke and mirrors of the WTS. Has he expressed any interest in an honest, objective look at the Society? Damn the WTS for programming its clones so well!!!
EyeDrEvil
hello everyone, i am new to this discussion board.
my name is pinned blouse because once i was wrongly df'd and i no longer attended the meetings, i noticed all my blouses had pin holes in them where i fastened safety pins in them to make sure i was always "modest" lol.
mind you i do not have large boobies but i did not want to "tempt" the brothers.. .
Welcome to the Board.
I noticed you are from Ohio. Whereabouts? We have a nice little aposta-get-together every month in Columbus...
EyeDrEvil
i know its stupid of me to post a new topic when i haven't finished reading my first thread, but i wanted to know stuff about any current jws that may be here.
you don't need to reply if you want to tell me off or say something o/t.
you can use my first thread for that, since that thread is more general.
Hey exjdub,
Wow, what a good comment or series of comments you made. Kudos to you. Don't feel badly about your comments to my-journey. He needed to hear them. If he comes back or not, that is on him and him alone. My guess is that he will be gone for a week, and then poke his head back out again...
..is notably absent amongst middle-aged dubs.. maybe the joy of sex was forbidden to them?.
take a peek at the nov 1964 wt study: >>the male sex organs and the female sex organs were to cooperate in fulfilling this god-given command.
thus the sex organs are not playthings to have a lot of fun with, for such fun does not serve the divine purpose.
ROFLMAO at tazmaniac's ancient wisdom.
thanks for the giggle!
EyeDrEvil
p.s. That reminds me. My 11 year old's teacher skipped over the "sex ed" talk this school year -- I need to get myself ready for our little chat!
did i excercise my right to freedom or took another step of denying my family to see their kin?
my mom this morning and asked why i didnt go to my sister and see my uncle give his first hour talk?
i told her my son had karate class and we were too tired to drive for an hour to my sister..mom gave me her disappointment advice to me..i explained to the kids why i didnt feel right about going and my 16 yr old daughter said she understood.
Next time mom gives the ol' guilt trip speech, why not ask her if the roads from her house to yours are mysteriously blocked? I mean, SHE could be the one making the hour long trek, unless the roads are blocked by some mysterious WT angel prohibiting her!
As for missing the first one hour talk... well, life just happens sometimes, doesn't it? We DO have our own lives, no? Sorry you got the guilt trip speech!
Good for you, standing up for yourself!
EyeDrEvil
why would he leave so many loose ends?
believe me, despite some of my comments about religion and my feelings about the bible, i do examine myself and my thinking process all of the time.
i really do think deeply about my life and the lives of my family, and i really try to examine how i feel.
Hey exjdub,
First of all, great thread. I have grappled with this same thing. Some days better than others... When I first saw the cracks in the foundation, I too became very afraid. And very depressed. Now it is much better...
Still, I am not sure what to believe --- in the Bible? in any organized religion? etc... The questions you posed are good, foundational, relevant points worthy of examination...
You might find this book interesting. I read it and felt like a major veil had been lifted from my eyes --- Reading the Bible Again for the First Time:Taking the Bible Seriously But Not Literally, by Marcus Borg.
What really struck me was the author's ability to look at the bible AS A BOOK, WRITTEN BY MAN, but still allow the bible to have relevance to me, in 2004. And no matter where I land (if I do land anywhere specifically), I will still be able to put the Bible into a proper perspective.I enjoyed Marcus Borg's book so much, I bought a second copy for my wife. I know we will both be making notes in the margins as we each go through it again.
In the big picture of things, does it really matter if the Bible is historically true/ prophetically true/ truly inspired of God? I don't believe so. Otherwise, if God put SO MUCH importance on us believing it blindly, why would he have given us a brain to think? And why would he allow so much human meddling to mess up the message.
Just my 2 cents.
EyeDrEvil
on getting back from the dallas apostafest i was able to see the new release from saturday's convention program that my mother attended.
it's a 32 page brochure entitled, "keep on the watch!
" with the subtitle, "for what?
SOS/DD (same old s**t, different day)
My gawd, how lame does this publication sound. So glad I no longer am in the club, taking worthless books home every year and feeling bad about reading the first 3 pages and losing total interest in finishing!
should have been a chapter on Keeping Watch.... of the pedophiles sitting next to you in your local KH!
EyeDrEvil
recently, i visited an area known for its 'healthy' congregations.
i spoke with an experienced elder about conditions.
he spoke glowingly about pioneers and not having enough kingdom halls.
Don't believe the Society's statistics. Remember that all totalitarian groups produce glowing reports about themselves, for internal consumption.
Excellent point! Especially when any JW that I have spoken to recently use "growth" of the WTS as PROOF of da TROOF.
Numbers can be made to say whatever you want. See Enron for all the verification you need there!
EyeDrEvil
