Posts by barry

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When DID the Jews return?

by Doug Mason in

the wts says that the key date in the jews return from babylon is tishri 1 537 bce.. the wts uses that date to arrive at its incorrect date of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

in turn, its 607 bce date is used to provide the date of october 1914 ce for christs parousia and the setting up of gods kingdom government.

the wts claims to be the sole representative upon earth of gods kingdom.. the date of the jews return is thus crucial to the watchtower societys (wts) existence and authority.

As Doug Mason asks you, why can you converse with apostates while other witnesses shake in their boots at the thought of being disfellowshiped and being separated from family and friends?. We would all like to know here on this forum. Also you might like to tell me why my exwife after studying with the witnesses shook with fear when she visited my church?

Such questions dont need to be answered in private and are not impertinent to normal people. My church doesnt tell me not to worship in another church or who not to talk to.

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Who here believes in Creation, yet believes in the Fossil records??

by Lady Liberty in

good morning and "happy sunday everyone!!.

yesterday our family (grandparents, grandkids, aunts, uncles) all went for a two hour drive for a picnic and all day fossil dig.

(sorry, i cannot tell you where, as it would probably reviel who i am to the trolls on this forum.

barry

While God has been a physist for 15 billion years he has only been a theologin for six thousand years. Anyway that was the explaination of a delegate at a creation science conference held by the SDA church.

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Preaching Work is unique identifier

by besty in

several conversations with current jw's have thrown up this validation of their faith.

i can think of several lines of refutation: .

1 - ask 'is increase proof of gods blessing?

barry

steve2 the figure of 14 million is in the Wilkipedia but I beleive the JW membership is slightly higher in the US than the SDAs.

I beleive the penticostal groups would have the fastest growth of all.

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Questions For Non-JWs

by sweet pea in

jw
friends

it just struck me that a lot of what we post comes under "you couldn't make it up"!

so my questions to those of you that aren't jw's or partnered with one - why do you continue to come here, does it entertain/surprise/inform you?

if you knew no jehovah's witnesses would you still be interested?

barry

As a non JW the thing that amazes me the most is, How the WT has so much power and how do they get away with what they do to people?

Ive been effected by the WT myself my first wife studied with the JWs but didnt become one and I also studied with them.

Im a 7th Day Adventist which is a strict religion but it pales in comparison the the JW religion. My SDA pastor even came to the memorial with me when I was invited to come by a JW

Also my initial purpose in coming here was to find any developements in the JWs since the time I studied with them. I felt there would be because of the internet and the greater flow of information we all see in these times but to my amazement there is no progress at all. The JW religion must be the perfect model for cultists the world over. Barry

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Women aren't suppose to be ministers..says who?

by A-Team in

i've been hearing this from the 7 day advantist, church of christ and jws, and was show 1 cor 14:36 as proof.

but, i decided to read the context of the verse....and it paints a different picture, atleast imo (ps i am not saying that females should be heads of congerations, now that is out of order.

) i'm using the message translation, for clarity.

barry

Gday Mr A Team,

In fact 7 day adventists do have a few ministers in the states and also have a long tradition of women lay preachers leading in the divine service.

In Australia females have taken theology degrees but I dont know any that have been ordained as ministers.

Barry

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Women aren't suppose to be ministers..says who?

by A-Team in

i've been hearing this from the 7 day advantist, church of christ and jws, and was show 1 cor 14:36 as proof.

but, i decided to read the context of the verse....and it paints a different picture, atleast imo (ps i am not saying that females should be heads of congerations, now that is out of order.

) i'm using the message translation, for clarity.

barry

Gday Mr Ateam.

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JWs and their thoughts on prayers by "worldly" people.

by R.F. in

how have jws expressed their views as to the prayers of people that aren't jws?

do they think god listens and answers?.

for instance, one elder that was speaking of prayer said, "just think how wonderful it is.

barry

I remember going to a Presbyterian Church service that was an ecumenical type service. The minister presiding prayed for all the religious communities in the small town including the Jehovahs Witnesses. No JWs were actually at the service.

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Going Veggie

by Sirona in

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friends

when i was jw, i didn't know any vegetarians.

they had the teaching that god had allowed us to eat animals, so we just eat animals.

no questions asked.. just recently i started to consider being vegetarian.

barry

Gday brentr, While I agree with you in some ways our ancestors didnt have refrigerators and they didnt eat meat every day. They did eat meat after a hunt or when something got fat. So meat eaten occasionally would probably more heathfull Also if you were to havedairy foods and eggs in youre vegetarian diet it would take care of the deficencies normally accociated with a vegetarian diet vit b12 etc.

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Going Veggie

by Sirona in

jw
friends

when i was jw, i didn't know any vegetarians.

they had the teaching that god had allowed us to eat animals, so we just eat animals.

no questions asked.. just recently i started to consider being vegetarian.

barry

There is a show on the tv in Australia called 'Whats good for you ' and last night they annalysed 5 different diets from vegan , lacto vegetarian . balanced diet with lean meat to a diet with excessive amounts of meat. From the annalysis by the experrts the lacto vegetarian diet was the best because it provided all the essentials but had a very high amount of good fats.

The worst diet was the vegan because b12 was dangerously low folllowed by the high meat diet because the colestrol level was high.

The lacto vegetarian diet is actually one supported by the SDA church although only about one third of SDAs follow the diet. In studies the one third of SDAs that are vegetarian live five to ten years longer and they have a better quality of life. the other two thirds of SDAs who have a regular diet have the same ailements as the rest of the population. Because of the longivity of ministers and church workers the churches retirement plans have been in the red and is not likely to improve in the near future.

Being an SDA myself maybe I should change my canivorous ways.

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Anyone celebrating the Queens birthday with fireworks this weekend?

by barry in

jw
friends

here in the act we can still buy fireworks but in new south wales they are baned is that right?.

anyway i bought the kids a bag of fireworks for $30 and had a great time letting them off tonight.

im dissapointed they dont have the large explosive ones or the skyrockets but some went quite high all the same.

barry

The queen is head of state in Australia much the same as Canada. Not all the commonwealth countries have the the queen as head of state many have a republick system.