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  announcement at service meeting last night

  by isaacaustin in

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  2. friends

  last nite at my parents service meeting an announcement was made regarding the new triple meeting.

  they said that no one can go over their allotted time at all during the tms.

  if the bell rings you are to stop immediately- not even finishing your sentence.

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  It's funny they get so worked up about someone going over on their talks, when some people who give the closing prayer think they have to summarize the whole meeting in their prayer. I know some people who gave prayers that were as long as talks. Probably like the Pharisees did in Jesus day. seek2find
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  Just How Important is the CO Visit For The R&F?

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  co is visiting this week and they stress not to miss a meeting during his stay.

  you'd think god himself was in town.

  what's the big deal?

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  For those who are Christian here. I have the following to say. Wouldn't it be great if the ones we love would Give Christ as much attention everyday in their every day life as they give the CO when he visits? Thinking back over the years I was a witness, I never remember any witness ever talking about their relationship with Christ or about how they benefited from a daily Bible reading and quite time. Everything always revolved around the organization and it's activities and representatives. They were always glad to point out how good the daily text was, but not that quick to talk about their personal reading of Gods word itself. Based on the ones I was acquainted with I'd say less than half even did daily reading of the Bible even if they were elders and servants. The organization officially says it believes Jesus words at John 14:6 Where Jesus says he is "the way and the truth..." but then turns around and says they are the truth. Which way is it? Just something on my mind today, seek2find
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  Should "Kool aid man06" apologize to every Christian who listened?

  by iloowy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  removed by request of the original author of the post on jws, and as a violation of both forum's guidelines.

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  I personally don't feel the need for an apology. I also don't expect an apology from Simon for allowing a wide range of viewpoints here on JWD (Thanks Simon!) With regard to Rick. My only hope is that he would re-evaluate where he is going with his efforts and Ministry. Maybe he can find some constructive ways to introduce a more positive message, and promote true Christian beliefs. In other words, Perhaps talking a little less about what's wrong with the Organization (we all know about that) and talking about and promoting what is a much better alternative. (John 14:6) seek2find
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  Peculiar NWT rendering: System of Things

  by Athanasius in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this morning at church i read the new testament lesson, which was ephesians 1:15-23, from the new revised standard version bible.

  verse 20-21 says:.

  "god put this power to work in christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, (21) far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the age to come.".

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  A favorite of mine is Heb. 11:13 the NWT uses the word "land" and all the other translations I've compared use the term earth. But the process is reversed at Psalms 37:29 seek2find
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  are they not saying they added other to the scriptures

  by booby in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in considering this matter it is well to note that bible writers often took for granted that certain things would be understood, just as writers in our day do.

  for example, the apostle paul states, as we read at colossians 1:16, that by means of jesus christ all things were created in the heavens and on earth.

  but since we know from revelation 3:14 that jesus himself was also created, the newworldtranslation adds the word "other," which clearly is what the apostle had in mind.

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  I don't get it. What's wrong with the reference to Ps.68:18? seek2find
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  Why are JW's afraid of dear old Ray?

  by wobble in

  1. social
  2. humour

  no active dub will read "crisis of conscience" by ray franz because it is "apostate".

  now if it is truly apostate,in the sense of being scripturally wrong then the wt has had 20 years or more to expose it,same as if it is factually wrong.. if it is neither, then the wt has had 20 or so years to put their house in order,so reading it now,dubs should say "oh yea we've changed that,so no worries".

  so why can't they read it now?.

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  Hi Mouthy, Are you talking about the Satanic ritual abuse thing? Or something else??? The SRA stuff is kind of hard for me to believe. Like I said in my previous post I only want to believe the truth. I respected what Barbra Anderson said on the conference call last time about veryfing things and not just taking them on someones word. Good advice. seek2find
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  Why are JW's afraid of dear old Ray?

  by wobble in

  1. social
  2. humour

  no active dub will read "crisis of conscience" by ray franz because it is "apostate".

  now if it is truly apostate,in the sense of being scripturally wrong then the wt has had 20 years or more to expose it,same as if it is factually wrong.. if it is neither, then the wt has had 20 or so years to put their house in order,so reading it now,dubs should say "oh yea we've changed that,so no worries".

  so why can't they read it now?.

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  While it may be true that Ray Franz may have had problems himself and was not perfect, the facts are that the issues he raises in CoC or either true or they are not. If they are not, wouldn't it be the best thing the organization could do to expose them for the lies they say they are? It's like I have told my wife, the issues I have personally with the organization are either true or they are false. If they are false, come get in my face about them, I don't want to believe anything that is not true. On the other hand, if they are true, then let's quit trying to hide them. It's like Joe Friday used to say on dragnet "Just the facts ma'am" seek2find
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection ? Not. Check this Out !

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  these quotes and excerpts i'm going to post here come from the " jehovah's witnesses - office of public information " from their website as it was posted on 12/2/07.

  my wife and i have a lurking witness friend who sent us this information as she is very pro-active trying to fight child abuse from within the organization itself !

  so get your barf bags ready- you are going to need them to stomach this " official policy " garbage from the wt society.

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  Back in March of this year in my JC meeting when I was DF'd. I ask the question. "What does the Society have against the elders going to the authority's when a child reports abuse?" They said "We do report abuse where it's required by law" I said "how about where it's not required by law?" "What would be wrong with the elders reporting it to the police and letting them conduct a proper investigation?" They stated "confidentiality." When I told them that I understood that the elders were instructed to report abuse from an anonymous location like a pay phone they all 3 said "that's not true". Well it just so happens that we are in a non- reporting state so they wouldn't know about it. Because the way I understand it, the instructions were given verbally over the phone from someone in the service department using the "Child abuse tele-memo" form. Thinking about all the kids who have been abused down through the years because of this "confidentiality" thing makes me sick. seek2find
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  Scripture quotes on items not made by JW's is considered bad

  by kitten whiskers in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have you ever noticed, or noticed it in yourself, that when you see a product with a scriptural quote, it was avoided, unless it was made by a jw company?

  i remember my mom coming over and on a bag of potato chips, they quoted a scripture on the back of a bag.

  she picked it up and said something to the effects of it being terrible.

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  Yeah, the only time a scripture on a non witness item is viewed somewhat favorable is when you're in service and the householders door or living room wall has a scripture on it. Then it's acceptable to use it as a conversation starter. Then later on when they take the bait, only then does it become bad. seek2find
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  Kingdom Hall Weddings - November Kingdom Ministry

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this has already been posted up - then i missed it.. this question box left me .

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  The "only kingdom melodies" rule on Music is the sure sign of a cult to me. It reminds me of a piece I seen on TV about Warren Jeffs clan. They could only listen to music he recorded. I remember going to a witness wedding many years ago that had a singer playing acoustic guitar and singing the song "and I love you so" I thought that was so neat. Oh well so much for that. Since I'm df'd now probaly won't be going to any more witness weddings anyway. seek2find