Posts by cathy4school

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Enemies of Jehovah..

by somebody in

jw
friends

enemies of jehovah who are under satan's rule"and have great lives.. god rules said to tergiversator after she said she was now leading a happy positive life, since leaving the jws.

in this thread.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=9754&site=3.

Somebody, you are so right. The JW's are willing to take all they can get but will never help anyone. I overheard a baptized JW say one time when her husband was on disability, "we are going to milk the system for as long as we can". Ironic isn't it? They will take what they can from the government but won't even salute the flag out of respect the their country. I also knew many who were on welfare for years but always said they would never salute the flag because it represented the evil system of things. Talk about hypocrisy, basically that is why I left the group.

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Friends - Too Little, Too Late?

by troubled in

jw
friends

i posted this onto a previous thread, but wanted to start it on a new one as well.

as jws, we lack the "social outlet" all humans need, to have true friends one can speak openly and honestly with and not be afraid of judgmentalism.

what i've seen firsthand is that the "nucleus" of the congregation often has this need filled: elders, ms's, pioneers, and their families often do things together.

cathy4school

Hi Troubled: I wanted to talk to you about how you are feeling when it comes to seeking out friends in the organization. Been there and done that and as you have stated either you are in or you are out. JW's always claim to be so loving and kind but the truth is they are selfish and very opinionated. I have friends outside the group which I held on to for many years and am I glad I did, because no one in the group (which I was affiliated with for over 20 years) talks to me at all because I don't attend meetings anymore. I don't know where they get the idea they have the right to judge others and also condemn them. I really don't think they have a clue how to be a good friend and honest friend because their friendships are conditional. When I used to go to the meetings I would sit with my family and hardly anyone conversed with us, unless it was about service or meeting attendance. My opinion on the whole issue is that friendship should be valued and no one should look down on others but they do. If I were you, I would not get upset about it because they don't really care how much it hurts you and besides you can find good people in here to talk to. Who knows, maybe someday you will recognize someone in here that you know. What always got me thinking was how the JW's claim they are loving but I found that not to be the case at all. If you want to be friends with them then you better do everything they tell you to do and don't argue with any of them or they will mark you as "evil". Good luck to you.

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still resisting!

by Kat_ in

this is my first time on a message board relating to anything jw.

i haven't posted anything in the past because i still held to the fear that it would be betraying what i was taught, betraying my family, betraying god.

this is precisely my life as it is now.

cathy4school

Hi Kat, Nice to chat with you. Your letter reminded me of myself because I too was in the group for a long time and never baptized and then I had a terrible thing happen to me ( my husband and a 'best friend' of mine both baptized were having an affair behind my back. You can imagine how devestated I was and then to have the elders tell me to keep quiet about it because I would be gossiping was so hard for me. I started to question the morals in the group and decided that the only importance to the elders is how much service work someone does (which I never did) and whether or not you are baptized so when the two of them did what they did the elders of course took sides with them and now they are together and going door to door preaching how wrong adultery is. Like you I stood back and looked at exactly what was going on and was horrified. I was called "evil" by my so called friends in the group and shunned because I stopped going to meetings. I then saw the hypocrisy of the whole thing and decided not to go back. I learned alot from the witnesses but everything I have learned is only common sense. I had some guilt when I left but that was because that is how they hold on to people but I now realize that I am a good person and wouldn't hurt anyone and I also have a mind of my own. I do not need someone to dictate to me especially when the ones doing the dictating are the ones to beware of. I hope you can be happy and I know that there are alot of nice and good people outside in the "world" (as the witnesses say.) If you ask me, it is a shame when you can not even trust your best friend and your husband who proclaim to be Christians. Keep walking upright and know you have friends here.

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Divorce Policy of JWs

by Ray Skyhorse in

i have a general question about the policy of divorce.

i'm a not a jw.

can anybody get a divorce?

cathy4school

Hi Skyhorse, I was never a baptized witness although I was affiliated with the JW"s for over 20 years. I never did service time but went to all the meetings. I can only tell you how I feel. I feel that adultery is a sin which is one of the 10 commandments so my belief is that you don't do it if you want to do the right thing. When my husband and 'best friend' were having an affair it was hard because they were both baptized JW's and when I found out about the affair the elders had told me to tell no one because then I would be gossiping. I was mortified because I felt they were accepting what they were doing and waiting for the time when they could be accepted back in to the group. Yes, their plan worked, leave their families, get a divorce, get disfellowshipped, get married, and then reinstated and that is exactly what they did. I could not believe the hypocrisy of the elders. I listened to many talks over the years about adultery being a sin and then watched as my life fell apart and I was called 'evil' because I stopped going to meetings. To no avail, they are going door to door and preaching about the wrongs of adultery and are fine upstanding citizens in the group. I don't know where they were married, but I know that in God's eyes it is not a marriage because he is bound to me because I did not commit adultery. All I can tell you is my story and what I believe.I no longer go to meetings and I never intend on going back because I feel that we should practice what we preach and that is not the case in the organization. I hope I have helped you somewhat and good luck to you.

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Divorce Policy of JWs

by Ray Skyhorse in

i have a general question about the policy of divorce.

i'm a not a jw.

can anybody get a divorce?

cathy4school

Hi RaySkyhorse, I would like to tell you what happened to me. My husband left me for my "best friend" and both were JW's. I divorced him for adultery. She was also married and when her divorce was final and my divorce was final they both married each other which was all planned from the beginning. I pushed the elders to disfellowship him but they were not too happy to do so but finally they did. They are now reinstated and going door to door while he deserted me and his children. The witnesses welcomed them both back and all is forgotten as far as what they did. All I can say at this point is that marriage is not anything in the eyes of God according to the Bible as it states adultery is the only grounds for divorce and since I did not commit the sin he is not free to remarry. That is the one thing that keeps me going is knowing that God cares about me and my family and does not accept such a dispicable so called marriage. I do believe that a marriage is sacred and if your life is not in danger then you stay with the person you married, if you can't stay with the person because of abuse or such treatment then you separate but for the respect of God you do not break the marriage vows with someone else. That's my belief but many do not see it that way. Just thought I would tell you my story and hopefully it will help you.

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childhood and the watchtower

by 4christ in

i am not a jw but....... when i was a child my mother was a "searcher".

she was involved with armstrongism, some other cult i cant remember the name, and finally jws.

she would take me with her to "bible studies" and i would listen.

cathy4school

Hi, I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your mom and the difficulties you have endured. It's not easy when you are in a group and expect their support and get none, but that's the way it is. Try and keep up your spirits and remember your mom would want you to be happy in your life. There is alot of nice people in here and I know they will also help you deal with all your mixed feelings. I too was ignored at a time of need but I have gone on and am doing fine, with God's help. He is always there for you no matter where you are. Be strong! And good luck to you.

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Self-righteousness

by Vitameatavegamin in

i am brand new here.

just thought i would add my "two cents worth" as they say.

i basically have become very hurt and feel so let down.

cathy4school

Hi Vita: I read your story and I must tell you that your situation is alot like mine. I too was in the group for over 20 years but never baptized and did not do service work (didn't feel right pushing religion on others) so when my baptized JW husband was having an affair with another baptized JW ( which by the way, both did service time) I received no support or help from the congregation at all because I wasn't of any value to them. My husband left me and his children for the other witness and is now back in good standing with the JW"s and doing service time preaching how wrong adultery is. They supposedly got married which is a joke in itself and he has started a whole new life away from his family. I was told I was an evil person because I no longer wanted to attend meetings and associate with such hypocrites and all I did was ask for some compassion and support from the so called brothers and sisters. Take it from me you will get no support from any of them because their only objective is to go door to door and sell their magazines and if you cannot do so, then you are no part of them. Real Christian isn't it? ASk yourself one question--would Jesus have done such a thing to anyone, worldly as they put it or in the group? I think not. Cheer us and remember who you know in this world but what kind of person you are. God loves a true righteous person no matter what their belief is so long as they love Him. Good luck to you and your husband.

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New here

by granny in

hi my name is granny.

i married an inactive witness.

he is no longer a witness.

cathy4school

Hi Granny, I am fairly new here too. I was an unbaptized witness for 25 years and I am now out of the group because my exhusband was baptized and him and my "best friend" who was also a baptized witness were having an affair for a long time before I found out. Because I was never baptized and did not do service time, I was shunned because I stopped going to the meetings because I was getting no support at all. They disfellowshipped them both but they got together and got reinstated and are now fine upstanding citizents in the group, and I was ostracized for not going to meetings. Talk about hypocricy and believe me they aren't your friends in there. Good luck to you and keep smiling.

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fallen angels

by largo in

i was really bored when i found this forum.

i didn't think it that a community of witnesses chatted and carried disscussions on the internet.

how refreshing i though!

cathy4school

Look around you and see the hypocrisy within the group. You think people are your friends. You can't trust them as far as you can see them. They will turn on you no matter what you say or do to show them you did nothing wrong. To top it off they are doing the exact things they preach you should not be doing. I truly don't think that God would want anyone to put their trust in a group of people who are hypocrites. Ask anyone you associate with in the group what it would take to shun you. Trust me, it won't be anything less than what they are already doing. It's just that you don't know about it because it is hushed up. I was affiliated with the group for many years and saw so much deceit but it took for me to stand back and look in the group because being in it you are blinded.

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Stupid people

by tattoogrl333 in

well in an attempt to question and learn more about the bible as was suggested to me by various people, i attended church with a friend.

afterwards i spoke with the preacher, and asked him about some of the things i had learned from the jw.

he quickly disregarded what i told him and pointed out a few scriptures, i showed him more that backed up what i had been taught.

cathy4school

Rubin, I don't think you are wrong at all to want to learn about the Bible. As I have stated I learned alot from the witnesses from Bible studies because most of what is taught is mostly common sense, I just don't like the control and the hypocrisy that is amongst the people. I feel I am a free spirited individual and do not need someone else telling me step by step how to live my life. I surely know how to do that on my own. I truly believe the ten commandments say it all. Plain and simple don't you think?