((((auldsoul))))
I didn't have time to read through all the responses so I apologize if this was already mentioned....
just some thoughts that came to mind when I read this. you mentioned she says "you can get through this together." does she say this because she secretly hopes that if she sticks it out long enough you'll come around? have you made it crystal clear that is not an option? even if you have, you know she is getting *loving counsel* that she needs to trust in Jah and wait patiently for you.
there is a reason you and she are still there, together - even if you can't see or define the reason right now. sometimes trusting in that is all that may get you through the rough moments. only you will know what to do in the end, but I do think that when the time is right you will know what course to take.
she may have financial fears or fears of just being alone that keep her in the relationship. she may have not worked through all the issues herself yet. be patient with eachother and just be honest. tell her what you've told us and see how she reacts.....
hugs to you both.
freedomloverr
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What if she never leaves JWs? (The interminable waiting period...)
by AuldSoul inthis has nothing to do with whether i love my wife.
i always will.. pragmatically, i have come to the devastating conclusion that i don't want to be married to a jw.
any jw.. she asked me last night, "so, do you believe in santa clause, now?
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Making my peace with life, love and the world we live in.
by diamondblue1974 ini am a point in my life when i reflect upon my history and my interactions with various people who have been a part of my life.
some have stayed and yet some inevitably have left through either their or my own choice or indeed by sadly moving into the next life.
these people include family, close friends partners, colleagues and acquaintances.
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****That love drug you and Dawn are on is extremely powerful stuff! I loved being in love in my twenties, when we were courting and had years ahead of us.
This is spot on:
Love is an aspect of life which is often positive, it induces creativity, passion, trust, and friendship but on the flipside of this, it is often where we can feel at our most exposed and vulnerable.****
would you feel this same sense of peace and calm that you feel right now if it weren't for this special person in your life? the true challenge, like Ian said, is when that love drug wears off and you are still right back where you started from - exposed, vulnerable, with trepidation. That I believe is when you "walk through fire", or enter that "dark night of the soul."
Not to sound like a cynic but I'm growing to believe I won't truly learn *peace* and *forgiveness* until all these fleshly illusions of love and stability are gone from my life. perhaps then I can learn what truly drives me.
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Your Favorite Poem or Saying
by compound complex indear friends,.
my favorite poem is not in vain by emily dickinson:.
if i can stop one heart from breaking,.
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NARKISSOS- *****freedomlover(r),
Thank you.
I don't remember writing that, even less in which context, but I find it all the more moving that some words we say or write can go on their own way in other minds, as so many came to us from other people, making us what we provisionally "are"...
I like to think of resurrection as a daily though mostly unnoticed event: long dead or forgotten people keep on arising in our flesh, and even before we're dead we're already living in others we just crossed once with one word, one look or one smile we don't even remember.****
you are so correct in saying that we cross into other people through our words and we may never know that we've had that effect. incredible and magical.
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The Tribal Nature of Jehovah's Witnesses
by unclebruce init seems to me a common misconception amongst ex- jehovahs witnesses is that there will one day be an issue arises so big that it will pull the rug from under the watchtower bible and tract society bringing the whole edifice crumbling down.
revelations come and go, apostates jump from one hope to another.
expose after expose fail to cause more than a ripple on the tranquil jw pond.
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I can't believe you posted this topic because I've had almost the exact same thoughts in my head for awhile now. I've been reading this book called "Anatomy of the Spirit" and it goes through the different chakras and what they mean.
The first chakra is the "tribal chakra." It made me realize how much our tribal influence can damage us if it's a toxic environment. The author talks about the powerful feeling to be in a group of peole or a family with whom you feel spiritually, emotionally, and physically comfortable. These unions empower us and energetically enhance our personal power. We by nature unite, to create.
We all know the pain that ensues when we challenge the tribal beliefs of a toxic group. In toxic tribal groups there isn't well defined personal responsibility. You usually have taken on the groups mentality to ensure your place in the tribe. These tribes do not have you take personal responsibility for the attitudes the tribe has instilled. ex. shunning. we all know how *wrong* and *toxic* it feels to our energy to shun yet we were told that was the tribes pattern - so we did it. What happens though is spiritually consicous adults can reach a point where they no longer can utilize the tribal reasoning. They have to grow or they stagnate.
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thanks all
by BlackSwan of Memphis inthis is so not easy to do.. a thread the other day asked why we post here.
why do i post here?
i said i was bored.
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((((bsofm)))) you rock girl! you words have helped me more than you'll know. you are a straight shooter when I've needed it most. take care of you. (you have my contact info.) love - freedomlover
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Do you have any "old friends"?
by AlmostAtheist inhey all,.
i was thinking today that many of us lack something that other people enjoy -- old friends.
we either weren't close to our high school friends, or sort of shut them out of our lives.
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this is a subject that plagued me when I was thinking of leaving everything behind.
I was heartbroken to realize that all my friends weren't going to be my friends after I left.
I am making new friends but there is something you can't replace with people who have known you a long time. I was fortunate enough to find some old friends that also left the borg. It's so great to have them in my life still.
The shunning your friends do to you is devastating IMO. I always had good friends that I was closer to than my family ( my family were psychos)....so losing them is so hard for me.
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thank god (another letter to jehovah)
by theinfamousone indear jehovah,.
it has been a few days since we have last spoken.
well, since i sent you a letter.
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****DO SOMETHING GOD, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SICK OF SUFFERING!!!*****
I agree with you infamous. I can't comprehend the idea that god is giving people a chance and then he'll step in. You don't let your kids play in the street and then let some of them get run over and killed and continue to just sit there and say " well - I'm giving the kiddos a big lesson in love and free will. I'll rescue the rest after a few more get run over."
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Defending what you can't defend
by KW13 inya know when a dub is fighting something just because they are a dub but they can see its wrong?.
me and megan proved that jesus had died on a cross and yet mum refused to accept it.. there is a scripture in john 22 where thomas is invited to put his finger in the holes in the hand(s) of jesus where the nail(s) were.
with it being nails and hands you get the impression of two and not one, mum wouldn't accept that tho lol.
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YES!
when I read this scripture (after the jw veil had been lifted) I was floored that I never noticed this before.
how could I have NOT seen the plain sense of that verse???
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INFAMOUSONE!!!
hey sweety!
I was just thinking about you the other day.....
where have you been???
glad you're back.
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I need some help with this......
by freedomloverr inwell it's been almost a year since our move to a new area to begin our *offcial* fade.
my issue of late has been my 8 year old daughter.
this is a kid who has been an old soul since birth.
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wow. thanks for the advice and PMs.
megsmomma:
you are right. I think I do need to be straight up with her. I remember being her age and my parents were getting divorced and no one would tell me what was going on. It made me so mad and sad. I hate to crush her sense of innocence though.
I hate this f'ing cult so damn much.