I feel so sorry for you. My JW mother died a few years ago, I sat with her in the hospital until she died. It is a very very strange situation when one of your parents dies - I was afraid of how I would feel afterward but I handled it. I'm sorry you are losing your mother - I hope you continue to post here how you are doing and what is happening with your mother. Stay by her side and hold her hand.
Hortensia
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I am so angry and frustrated right now
by elinor ini cannot be very specific with this because i do not know who is patrolling these boards to try to catch faders (like me).
my mother has been very ill for a long time due to multiple health issues, all of them stemming back to a very low blood cell count.
before i even began to have doubts, as well as my father asking me about the 1975 debacle, i kept wondering why god (i can't call him jehovah now that i know the truth) would allow such a wonderful and selfless person to suffer if all they needed was something that was produced naturally in our bodies.
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Describe how you will not die
by darth frosty ini was just looking at terry's thread and as i read the responses the only thing that came to my mind was the ways i know i will not die.
i know i will not die in a car accident or by drowning.
i have already faced death (or you could say cheated) in those situations.
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Hortensia
well, I'm pretty sure I won't die at armageddon! And believe now that I won't be killed by my husband, although if he gets out of jail, who knows. Otherwise, no guarantees - anything can happen!!!
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At what point have you crossed the "cheating" line?
by free2beme ini have been married for awhile, and in my 14 years of marriage i have seen many other marriages of friends and relatives, come and go.
most, if not all, were caused by cheating.
at work i work with a lot of people of different faiths, to no faiths.
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Hortensia
I agree with Tara, if you can't tell your spouse/partner about it because that person would respond with pain and a sense of betrayal, then it's cheating. However, having friends of the opposite sex isn't cheating, lunch with coworkers isn't cheating, going out with a mixed group of folks isn't cheating, esp. if the spouse is invited and chooses not to go along.
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Hortensia
gee, I've been out so long I didn't know any of this. The last president I remember was Knorr - and Fred Franz was a sort of Merlin in the org. the magical old man. Ha, so interesting to see where it is going, away from the cult of the personality, making it even harder to know who is making the decisions and profiting from the activities of the org.
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Nearly went into a gospel hall today
by ninja ini still have a belief in god and through advice from an ex-witness in another part of the country by e-mail decided to try a local gospel hall...mostly for company as all my ex-friends are jw.s and my whole social framework has collapsed since i started questioning....i drove up to it and was going to go in...what stopped me though was i don't really know the procedure at the hall and didn't want to stand out like a sore thumb..plus the usual ex-witness trepidation of doing am i doing the right thing...what should i do?...i have to tread carefully as my wife and family are still in the truman show....awaiting your advice and/or sarcasm....(ninja puts his hard hat on..enters the trench..)...ok guys and gals ...shoot
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Hortensia
go ahead and go in. Tell the first person who looks at you that you are new there, just curious, and don't know the procedure. Ask what you should do and someone will tell you. When I first got out I checked out a lot of churches out of curiosity - went to all kinds of churches including a buddhist ceremony, and the metropolitan community church. I was nervous at first but got relaxed after a while. Finally decided I just don't like religion and quit going, but it was an interesting experience.
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As a witness, how would you have handled this scripture?
by NotaNess inphilippeans 1:15-18 (nwt).
if someone you were witnessing to at a door or on the street presented you with this scripture, and told you that paul supported even false intensions about christ, in fact he rejoiced in it.
in other words if witnesses have issues with "false religion" or some church leaders(on tv) out there acting like big supporters of the gospel, but they're really in it for the money, how would you handle that paerson saying that paul rejoiced in it?
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Hortensia
you know, I don't have a bible, haven't had one for years. what does it say at that scripture? Maybe all you folks who cite specific scriptures could quote them for people like me who don't own a bible, aren't going to ever own another one, but want to follow the conversation.
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Been "worldly" for 4 months now
by themonster123 inwell, i left around january or february, and it's been about 3 months or so experiencing "worldly" living.
i gotta say...it's been an interesting and uncomfortable transition, to say the least.
i would just like to update everyone on how i'm doing, and share some of my worldly experiences, as well.
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Hortensia
you have received some good advice. I have one more piece of advice. Read "The Gift of Fear." It's a kind of scary book, because it's written by someone who deals with stalkers and crazy people all the time, but in the book the author gives you a list of ten or so behaviors to look for that are signs someone can't be trusted. If you just learn those signs and start noticing how people behave you will become more worldly wise and less naive and vulnerable.
stay out of bars. Not only do you meet people who hang out in bars, you are also more vulnerable there. Hang out with your brother, meet his friends, go out with friends from work, do volunteer work, all good ideas.
Stop thinking of other people as "immoral" because they don't live by your standards. It's a little hypocritical, since you admit behaving like that yourself when you feel like it. Develop the ability to live and let live.
I had to edit this when I read it - it sounds a little unfriendly and that isn't how I feel at all. I remember when I had to start all over and find new friends because I had left all the JW friends behind. I know how you feel and I sympathize.
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Something is trying to get in my apartment..and I'm freaking here...
by FreedomFrog ini don't know what it is or why it wants in my apartment but this is scaring the crap out of me.
the corridoor lights for our apartments are all out, including the 2 downstairs as well.
they have been out for several days and i keep meaning to let the office know but keep forgetting.
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Hortensia
wow what a night! So scary! I'm glad it's just racoons. They are real pests but not dangerous unless you get too close.
here's a story that will amuse you: a long time ago in the middle of the night I kept hearing the sound of someone digging, shovel hitting dirt. I got more and more nervous (it was the middle of the night and no one was awake but me.) Finally I decided someone had killed his wife and was burying her in the desert so I called the police. They came, searched around the house and yard, couldn't find anything of course, and left. They were very nice, said to call again if the noise started up again. When I told my husband about it the next morning, he was annoyed with me - why didn't I wake him up? He would have been able to tell me it was just the tortoise digging by the wall. Ooooops....and we had a cop friend and his wife staying at the house too - he wondered why I didn't wake him up either. Oh my goodness, felt like a fool.
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Are JW's generally better than average people?
by JH ini for one, would blindly trust just about anyone on this forum, just the fact of knowing that you already were a jw.. does this mean that jw's in general are better people or are we a very close bunch of people?.
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Hortensia
compare Rosalee's posts with R.F. It's possible to express doubts and invite comment without being insufferably smug and self-righteous. It's possible to listen to what other people say, without being condescending and insulting, even if you don't agree. Debate should have content - Rosalee's method of debate is sophomoric, in fact it's more juvenile than that. Just the opinion of one old goat!
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Oldies but Goodies for Barbiecon...
by zeroday inwe all know barbiecon was baptized in 1963. i just thought we could do the big bebopp and go back a little in time.
tell me barbiecon do you remember:.
*** w67 1/1 p. 29 have you read your copy?
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Hortensia
"Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative "day."
Wienies!