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  Rehabilitating the Debil

  by Satanus in

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  let's say yhwh really wanted to save the debil and his demons, how could it be accomplished.

  here is one method.

  tell me if you think it would work.. force them to incarnate, the same way that jesus/archangel was.

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  Faraon

  I gave it so much thought I began to get a headache, so finally I said to myself:

  Tah Hell With It

  (I didn't answer myself because I wind up losing the argument when I talk to myself and answer myself)
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  my story and why I'm here

  by little1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i?ve been a lurker for awhile and a member for a little while, and i?d like to tell you about myself and why i?m here.

  i was looking for information, comfort and explanations for what happened in my life and i?ve found all that and more here---thank you all so much for your contributions, words of wisdom and humor.

  3 years ago, almost 4, i was a divorced mother of 3 just getting my life together after having been married to a raging alcoholic for over 13 years.

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  Faraon

  Little1,

  Here is another way to do it.

  Pass your mouse pointer over the name of the person you want to send a message to on top of the avatar (picture).

  You will see a list pop-up: Profile, Send Message, Post History, Topic History.

  Click on ?Send Message?

  Another window will appear

  Write the Subject and your Message

  Click the bar under it that reads ?Send Message (I have read the guidelines)?

  If you are using the XP Style and scroll to the bottom of your left scroller/column, you will see a box called ?Status?. On the bottom of it you?ll see a little open envelope with the words ?You have 1 unread messages?

  Click on it, and you will be able to read your messages. Faraon
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  [title revised] "Spare The Rod..." in scripture?

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you know, the other day i found myself in a 'uh?

  ' moment when i heard something that i never knew and/ or was led to believe in order to behave accordingly.

  so i did a search (go figure.

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  Faraon

  It is not against the law for a child to get a swat on their behind.

  Maybe in your country or part of it. Fortunately in more civilized countries it is.

  I do not raise mine with an iron fist so to speak, but they know the consequences for some offenses

  . I don't know exactly what you mean by iron fist. The way I knew the saying was "with an iron fist and a silk glove" meaning strict discipline, with no leeway but no physical punishment. I don't agree with this interpretation either. I allow children quite a lot of freedom, including voicing their disagreements with me. That does not mean that they can do anything they feel is right. They have five rules posted (never more than five) on their door and seven progressive consequences, which do not include hitting them at any time. They can also bring down the severity for good behavior after suffering the consequence. They never had to go beyond one day in their room (step 4).

  Sorry you disagree with what I do, but I live with them. It is how things are done in my home.

  Like I said previously, I would call the police if I saw it anyone hit anyone. Let them sort it out.

  So if you saw a man, attacking a woman, and you felt it was wrong, you would try to reason with him? You would not try to pull him off of her? But that is touching him?

  If we are to believe statistics, it would be more likely that the woman would be attacking the man. I would call the police. From what I hear, the leading cause of police deaths take place in domestic disputes. And they carry guns! Sometimes even the victim turns against the police. I am not stupid.

  So this reasoning is not all right.

  I agree. Parents usually only hit their children when they are small. Not when they are bigger and stronger than they are. You are comparing two adults with an adult and a child.

  Each and every day is different. Spankings are not for everything, and neither is time out, or trying to reason with a seven year old child.

  That is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you think that you cannot even try to reason with a seven-year-old, he will become unreasonable. A more balanced view would be Yerusalym's above. I would not consider spanking a "quick rap on the hands when the kid is reaching for the exposed wire or sticking a pin in an outlet..." for a toddler who cannot reason. And it may save her life!

  A spanking is, in my mind, a series of hits. This are usually, but not always, done by an angry parent. Sometimes parents hit or spank their children to look good to others so that it seems that they discipline their children, when in reality those children are undisciplined because they will only behave well in front of their parents because they fear them. Not because they are self-disciplined, which is the true goal.
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  [title revised] "Spare The Rod..." in scripture?

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you know, the other day i found myself in a 'uh?

  ' moment when i heard something that i never knew and/ or was led to believe in order to behave accordingly.

  so i did a search (go figure.

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  Faraon

  Momofmany,

  IMO parents who hit their children do so because they are too lazy to talk to them, or too stupid to make them understand.

  Glad to know I am stupid and lazy.

  IMO= In My Opinion. I heard a saying "ignorance can be cured. Stupidity can't." People can do things because they don't know better. My belief is that you shouldn't do anything to anybody, including children, that you would not do to a more powerful person. Would you like it if someone hit you because you did not do her wishes? Kids don't see being hit as a correction. They see it as someone hateful being a bully. Edited to add: I would not hesitate to call the cops on anyone I see hitting their children. And I even told that to an elder when I was a JW.
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  Return To God, and He WIll Forgive You in a Large Way!

  by AwakenedAndFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did you leave the watchtower society and the true god ,too?.

  i believe that god still helps some of the of the ones still "traped" in the org.

  - god helped me greatly while i was still in.

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  Faraon

  Avengers,

  There are people and there are [Religious Nuts] Which one are you?

  LOL, Maybe it could've another graphic showing something women don't have?
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  Return To God, and He WIll Forgive You in a Large Way!

  by AwakenedAndFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did you leave the watchtower society and the true god ,too?.

  i believe that god still helps some of the of the ones still "traped" in the org.

  - god helped me greatly while i was still in.

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  Faraon

  Avengers,

  There are people and there are [Religious Nuts] Which one are you?

  LOL, Maybe it could've another graphic showing something women don't have?
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  Evolution Question(s)

  by Cassiline in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if we have evolved my assumption is we still are evolving correct?

  or am i wrong in this assumption as well?

  with all that was wrought on jws this is one teaching i can not get past that of evolution v. creation.

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  Faraon

  Talking about TV. I was seeing a program about how microorganisms combine with one another and fight off previous inmunity.

  In another program I saw, Scientists found an area in Africa where some of the people are inmune to HIV.

  In yet another I saw that one of the most important characteristics in subconsciously seeking a mate is facial and body symmetry.

  Fascinating things one finds in the Science, Discovery, and National Geographic channels.

  Asleif,

  Leolaia: Right on...how cool that you learned that from the tv! So many undergrad anthro students don't learn it from attending classes!!

  I wonder why. I learned about the genetical reasons why sickle cell anemia survives back in 1971 in my Biology 201 course. I would even use it to challenge a Political Science 151. He was a racist who believed in the "purity" of the races and that blacks were intellectually inferior to caucasian.

  I am, as far as I know, 100% Caucasian, but my children are more fortunate because they are also a mixture of Black and American Indian. There are about eight lethal genes present in humans. They don't express themselves and kill the individual because they are not present in both parents.

  drwtsn32:

  "We rely now on technology and culture for survival now and those are rapidly evolving. This could lead to more feeble humans: strength etc becomes irrelevant when we have machines to do it for us. We have taken a brand new road in the history of life..."

  I seriously doubt it. There is a very large gene pool. Most of the people using these machines are using them due to circumstances after they were born, such as accidents or illnesses, which have no genetic carryover to the next generation. Anyway, the survivers may carry other genes that would add other desirable characteristics to the pool.
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  [title revised] "Spare The Rod..." in scripture?

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you know, the other day i found myself in a 'uh?

  ' moment when i heard something that i never knew and/ or was led to believe in order to behave accordingly.

  so i did a search (go figure.

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  Faraon

  Shamus,

  I can't read nine pages of crap, so I'll just say this.

  Basically, it's about a couple of JWs who beat their daughter to death with the help of her siblings.

  The bible never did say whiop the daylights out of your kids. In order to properly discipline them, you need not beat them. And the OCCASIONAL (like twice in a childhood) that you need to "spank" them they should be very aware that if they do a naughty thing that they will get a spanking and that's that. If they do something and do not know that it's bad, to spank them equals abuse. (not that spanking is really that great anyways).

  It doesn't say how little or how much. And that is the problem. I would agree with your statement because I don't think that an "OCCASIONAL (like twice in a childhood)", and "If they do something and do not know that it's bad, to spank them equals abuse. (not that spanking is really that great anyways)" With the warning of NEVER HIT A CHILD WHEN YOU ARE STILL ANGRY. Also the level of pain is important. If a child is bruised or even if his/her skin raises, it is too much. Some school districts allow spanking but only if someone not directly involved in the case administers it.

  I really do not think it will cause permanent psychological damage if someone spanks his/her child if all the conditions above are met. The problem is that some parents or teachers take spanking as a solve-all problem. My father spanked me only twice in my whole life. I spanked lightly my 11-year-old daughter only once, and only after being pressured by my ex and her mother that I had to do it because the bible said so. I have never spanked my 9-year-old in her life.

  I have a 30-year-old married daughter from a previous marriage who spanks her children. I asked her why would she hit them if I never hit her. -- She told me that her mother, unknownst to me, would hit her, and threatened to make it worse if she told me.

  Proverbs 13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die.
  14 Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.

  That was my point. Most dubs equal discipline with hitting. The babble quote above gives you almost no other option. No explanation about first explain him patiently and repeatedly what his behavior should be, etc.

  dis·ci·pline ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ds-pln)

  n.

  1. Training expected to produce a specific character or pattern of behavior, especially training that produces moral or mental improvement.
  2. Controlled behavior resulting from disciplinary training; self-control.

  1. Control obtained by enforcing compliance or order.
  2. A systematic method to obtain obedience: a military discipline.
  3. A state of order based on submission to rules and authority: a teacher who demanded discipline in the classroom
  1. Punishment intended to correct or train.
  2. A set of rules or methods, as those regulating the practice of a church or monastic order.
  3. A branch of knowledge or teaching.

  http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=discipline

  As you can see, many people equal discipline with punishment. They only see #3 above but educational psychology has demonstrated time after time that positive reinforcement works better.

  I just can't get over how the witnesses whip they're kids for the tiniest little thing. It's really sick.

  100% agreed.
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  [title revised] "Spare The Rod..." in scripture?

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you know, the other day i found myself in a 'uh?

  ' moment when i heard something that i never knew and/ or was led to believe in order to behave accordingly.

  so i did a search (go figure.

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  Faraon

  SF,

  This happened a couple of years ago where I work (November 14, 2001 in Chicago). I had many arguments with my JW sister-in-law. She used to love to quote that the child would not die if hit by the rod.

  Notice that the murderers were a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Did the bible failed them? Did the WTBS lie to them? Nah! Impossible!

  http://nospank.net/n-i69.htm

  This subject upsets me.

  Why use violence to correct misbehavior? IMO parents who hit their children do so because they are too lazy to talk to them, or too stupid to make them understand.
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  Find out what level of Dante's Inferno You'd go to!

  by czarofmischief in

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  i went to the 7th level.. the dante's inferno test has banished you to the seventh level of hell!.

  here is how you matched up against all the levels:.

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  Faraon

  Good thing I don't believe in hell!

  Level Who are sent there? Score

  Purgatory Repenting Believers Very Low

  Level 1 - Limbo Virtuous Non-Believers Very Low

  Level 2 Lustful Extreme

  Level 3 Gluttonous Very High

  Level 4 Prodigal and Avaricious Extreme

  Level 5 Wrathful and Gloomy Extreme

  Level 6 - The City of Dis Heretics Extreme

  Level 7 Violent Extreme

  Level 8- the Malebolge Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers Extreme

  Level 9 - Cocytus Treacherous Extreme

  Seventh Level of Hell

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  Guarded by the Minotaur, who snarls in fury, and encircled within the river Phlegethon, filled with boiling blood, is the Seventh Level of Hell. The violent, the assasins, the tyrants, and the war-mongers lament their pitiless mischiefs in the river, while centaurs armed with bows and arrows shoot those who try to escape their punishment. The stench here is overpowering. This level is also home to the wood of the suicides- stunted and gnarled trees with twisting branches and poisoned fruit. At the time of final judgement, their bodies will hang from their branches. In those branches the Harpies, foul birdlike creatures with human faces, make their nests. Beyond the wood is scorching sand where those who committed violence against God and nature are showered with flakes of fire that rain down against their naked bodies. Blasphemers and sodomites writhe in pain, their tongues more loosed to lamentation, and out of their eyes gushes forth their woe. Usurers, who followed neither nature nor art, also share company in the Seventh Level.