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  Waverers Almost Gone When They Arrive Here?

  by Englishman in

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  of late, we have seen several threads started here and elsewhere that question the responsibility of ex's towards wavering jw's.

  much of the material in these threads has been to do with whether our words or behaviour on these sites should be moderated so as not to "stumble" wavering witnesses.

  some folk are of the opinion that we have no responsibilty whatsoever to waverers, others say we have a degree of responsibilty, yet others opine that we have a very great degree of responsibility.

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  Francois

  It beats me why anyone thinks we should bear some responsibility toward waverers here. Perhaps if someone could clearly define the nature of that responsibility, I could discuss it more fully.

  For instance, if we bear responsibility whom do we bear it to? It could be argued that we would owe it to the WTBTS to take it easy with their wavering members. That would last about as long as screen doors on a submarine.

  I just don't see it. I'm with xjw_b12. If you want to get the attention of these good folk who are smart enough to be here lurking and watching and waiting and testing the water, best to use a 2 X 4 as opposed to a feather. After all, it is always a loud minority that has pulled off each and every revolution in world history. And that's what we want, a revolution. We want a revolution that exposes the Watchtower cult for exactly what it is. We want a revolution that will bring an end to this clearly evil organization that wouldn't know the truth if it kissed them on the lips.

  Frankly, I don't feel I owe it to anyone to take it easy on the WTBTS if that's the implication.
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  Note from the Convention - Saturday

  by Gadget in

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  the opening talk again discussed taking notes, but this time recomended all to take brief notes to have handy for the convention review in the autumn.

  can't make their minds up.... "removing the veil from those blinded" we were given instructions to start a bible study on a return visit.

  this was not just recomendations, but specific procedure to be used.

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  Francois

  It's even worse in Mexico than you speculate, Gadget. In Mexico, the young brothers were allowed, nay, encouraged, to bribe government officials into signing the cartilla, the government-issued cards verifying that the carrier had satisfied their military obligation to the Mexican government.

  This was taking place at the very same time that the JW members in Malawi were being forced from their lands, having their crops burned, their wives and daughters raped before their eyes, entire families massacred and every other atrocity you can think of because they refused, at Watchtower insistence, to purchase a Malawi Party Card, which stated that they were members of the party - in a one-party state. The card cost $0.25.

  The real outrage here is that when representatives of the WTBTS went to Malawi, they had to have a US passport. Ever examine a US passport? You have to, in effect, swear alliegance to the US government to obtain a US passport. Not a particle of difference between the Malawi Party card and the US passport oath.

  Is this not outrageous? AAH, the WTBTS, Center for World Hypocrisy, Concentrated.
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  Excerpts From My "Pay Attention" Elder's Book

  by minimus in

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  since i resigned early last year, i did not know where my "pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock book" was.

  this weekend i was cleaning out my trunk and i spotted it.

  i thought i might share some quotes with you on this fine sunday.....page 35:"do not try to get the brothers to engage in the field service by exerting undue pressure on them.

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  Francois

  Pepper, if I may make bold to ask, wot happened to your head? I dun tole you not to get up on dem ladders on account of you fall off of dem, you go boom and hurt yoursef.

  Wot de story?

  Hoping you're OK,
  francois
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  As a loyal JW, what made you to start doubting the Watchtower ???

  by run dont walk in

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  i'm sure all of us were loyal at one time to the watchtower, believing in all of it.

  (some of us probaly hated it from day one as well but, ).

  what were some of the first things that happened or were said, that made you to start doubting it and beginning the loss of your loyalty to the organization ??????.

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  I started doubting long before some of you were in Da Troof it looks like, but what started me on the out trail was actually one of their books, the famous JW apologia, Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose. I'm sorry, but applying some vast, sweeping prophecy to some dinky little 3.5 X 5 tract they handed out door-to-door as "bowls of fire poured out on the heads of false religion" was just too much puffery for me. And they did it over and over and over in that book.

  Additionally, they were willing to debate any of the clergy or anyone else at any time. In fact they challenged the clergy in virtually all assembly cities to come out and debate. And when the clergy refused to do so, the JWs said that was prima facie evidence that the clergy knew they were preaching false religion. Well, look who won't debate now.

  And on and on in that vein. Get yourself a copy of JWs in the Divine Purpose and see for yourself. Anyway, this was in 1959 and I wish I had walked out then. I would have saved myself so much trouble. I was only 14.

  francois
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  Walking With Cavemen

  by Blueblades in

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  cavemen evolve into homosapiens over a span of 3,500,000 years.. how is it that this statement is stated as fact?

  if it is proven as fact,then is the genesis account of creation false?.

  in order to believe it must one believe in evolution?.

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  Our understanding and our conceptualization of God has been changing in response to our changing understanding of and insights into the sciences since the establishment of the Newtonian-Cartesian paradigm over 400 years ago. And it will continue to change until our understanding of both God and science is complete. There should be no argument between religion and science whatsoever. The fact that there is speaks volumes about our continuing ignorance in both areas I'm afraid.

  I thought the program last night was very good and provided basic information which should help the open-minded bible thumpers understand. No amount of information will help the closed-minded, such as JWs and their leaders, to understand anything. The mind is a wonderful thing, but like an umbrella it only works when it's open. The program last night could have been made better if the producers had used someone else, almost anyone else, besides Alec Baldwin. Was he in Merry Ole England hiding out from Bush finally?

  francois
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  first timer...feelin like crap

  by Boolean in

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  hey everyone....this this my first time on one of these forums... been out for short while, but i miss my family and the friends i grew up with.. feeling a little shitty.

  how did u cope with suddenly being cut off from the people that you love and depend on?.

  by the way, if your wondering about my nik, look it up, thats how my mind is right now.

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  If it were God's true religion they would be following Jesus' only two commands for us; they would be loving god with a whole soul and they would be loving their neighbors as they love themselves.

  Hell's bells, they don't even love their neighbor in the seat next to them, much less in the house next to them. If they've got God's true religion, I'm the Virgin Mary.

  You done good.

  francois
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  Alone in a house full of people

  by LovesDubs in

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  for those of you still married to a jw...have you ever felt like you were living alone even tho there is a person on the other side of the bed?

  i sure do...he has this whole "secret life" and all his jw friends and jw relatives and wont have anything to do with my friends or my relatives, even tho most of them never were jws....so we dont do anything together as a couple.

  i mean zip.

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  Just a suggestion. While he's gone, go see one of those attorneys who advertise in the phone book "First visit no charge." Go tell him your story. He'll tell you what your rights are and what you can expect. Then when you talk to your "husband," you can be confident in knowing what your rights are and what they are not. You likely feel the JWs and their rules and regs have something to do with you. They don't. It's a new ballgame when you hit the legal system, and the damned JWs got nothing to do with it.

  Try it, you'll like it. And likely seeing that attorney will add a bounce to your step and a smile to your face. Go for it.

  francois
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  My DA Letter

  by iiz2cool in

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  i've finished my da letter which i'm planning to send tomorrow.

  i guess i'm just tired of the weekly harassment, and a few other things.

  here's the link to it.

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  Francois

  Walter,

  You might want to consider taking your email addy, phone number and address off your letterhead before making it available to posters here. You can never tell when some weirdo will get ahold of it and show up at your place with a dead rabbit, or worse.

  Think about it.

  francois
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  Alone in a house full of people

  by LovesDubs in

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  for those of you still married to a jw...have you ever felt like you were living alone even tho there is a person on the other side of the bed?

  i sure do...he has this whole "secret life" and all his jw friends and jw relatives and wont have anything to do with my friends or my relatives, even tho most of them never were jws....so we dont do anything together as a couple.

  i mean zip.

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  Francois

  I wouldn't deal with it. I would get an attorney, file for divorce, for sole custody if the kids were mine, and for hefty child support, and let him see how it feels for the fhoe to be on the other soot, er, the shoe to be on the other foot.

  You can't be walked on like this unless you lie down first. Get the hell up and and punch this asshole's lights out (figuratively at least, tell him you're of the Deliah "class" and you're cutting off his "anti-typical" hair.) That oughta fix him.

  Standing by,
  francois
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  a lawyer, a rabbi and a hindu holy man.....

  by Ravyn in

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  a lawyer, a rabbi, and a hindu

  a lawyer and two friends--a rabbi, and a hindu holy man--had car trouble in the countryside and asked to spend the night with a farmer.

  the farmer said, "there might be a problem.

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  Francois

  What's black and brown and looks good on an attorney?

  A Doberman.