Posts by freeman

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YOU Are Responsible For Your Kids Being Jehovah's Witnesses, Do Ya Feel Bad

by minimus in

does it bother you that your kids are witnesses?

does it disturb you because you taught them?

freeman

Thanks Minimus, how nice to open an old wound.

You bet it disturbs me knowing I did this to them! But what is done is done and I have to move beyond this. My course of action now is to not allow my younger son to attend programming sessions anymore, and with my older boy, well they really got him already, so I just plant seeds of doubt when I can and give him lots of opportunity to slack off his JW activities when he wants to, and many times he does. It’s really all I can do at this stage.

The only thing that keeps me sane, or relativity sane, is that each day I do a little something to carry on the fight against the dark tower and win my family back from this cult.

Very few days go by that I don’t ponder what would things be like if I didn’t ask to study the Bible. Yes I initiated it! Christ THAT WAS THE WORST MISTAKE I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE, WHAT THE FU*K WAS I THINKING!

Nobody can begin to know the level of guilt a parent feels knowing full well that it is because of them that their own child is now part of this deadly destructive cult. I would never wish such a thing upon anyone.

Freeman

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Is the Major Battle Going to Start Today in Iraq?

by hawkaw in

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friends

the war has been going on for sometime if anyone has actually been following along what has been going on in iraq .... .

but today .... .

msnbc reporting that ari fleischer has lidded his daily press gaggle, and that the president has cancelled some speech or meeting about health care he was supposed to have this afternoon.

freeman

March 13-15 is probably a good day not to be anyplace around Baghdad. No inside info, just a guess.

Freeman

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A Big Canadian Apology

by jgnat in

i got this as an e-mail joke today, my apologies if you have heard it already.... on behalf of canadians everywhere i'd like to offer an apology to the united states of america.

we haven't been getting along very well recently and for that, i am truly sorry.. i'm sorry we called george bush a moron.

he is a moron but, it wasn't nice of us to point it out.

freeman

cute

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jw field serv. wash out in the rain

by johnny cip in

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this morning ; in the rain what do i see?

from a block away it's 3 jw's holding up their idol under their umberella's .

i stop.

freeman

Bravo! That was excellent! LMAO

John, I would have paid to see this skillful surgery you performed.

Freeman

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Does God define "right and wrong" or is there an intrinsic 'good' ?

by Simon in

i don't personally believe in a 'god' but i wonder for those who do .... is there an intrinsic "right and wrong" or moral code that would exist whether or not there was a god?.

to put it another way, is what we believe is "right or wrong" based on whatever god decides is right or wrong (ie.

he set's the standard) or is it an intrinisc thing that he also must adhere to in order to be thought of as 'good'.. if god has to adhere and go along with some intrinsic value system then does this effect any claims to be omnipotent and always good?

freeman

What is good or bad is I believe based on our personal belief system which is probably heavily based on the accepted norms laid down and learnt from society. It doesn't make them intrinsically good or bad though and neither does making up stories of a God supporting them.

Excellent analysis Simon, I agree 100%.

Freeman

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Why did you get out of JW?

by WorldsEyeView in

why did all of you guys get out?.

i have a friend who is a jw, and i don't think she is right at all.

do you guys have any convincing arguments on why jw is wrong?

freeman

I got out because the Elders told me I had to make a choice between my new job working for a government agency (NASA) with good pay and benefits, paying off the enormous debt I was in, or “do the right thing” and return to my TV repair / janitor / security guard jobs and live like a pauper.

I chose to provide for my family, pay my debts off, and have a meaningful and challenging career. In a nice way I more or less told the Elders to shove it. That was the major break for me. And then some years later I put the word watchtower in a search engine and that was all she wrote.

Freeman

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UN against the U.S. and Great Britian

by BillyBob in

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friends

i'm new to the forum but have lurked for over four years!

in fact i've never even posted on an internet board before,.

so please go easy on me.

freeman

It must be kind of hard to be a JW for any stretch of time and realizing that now it’s ok to be transfused with cleansed cows blood, and that “generation” doesn’t mean what it once did, or that “1975” is now a year of no particular significance.

Even the good old reliable “kings of the north and south” mean virtually nothing since their identity keeps changing. Well at least they can take some measure of comfort knowing that the wicked men of Sodom ~~will~~, ~~won’t~~, ~~will~~, ~~won’t~~, ~~will~~, won’t be resurrected to share paradise.

Welcome to the board BillyBob.

Freeman

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Are You In Support Of Starting A War In Iraq ?

by minimus in

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friends

it looks inevitable.

do you think this is more a carry over from president pappy bush's not getting the job done while he was in office?

do you think the usa and it's allies can fight multiple wars??

freeman

I would hope that everyone’s answer to the above question is a very loud and decisive

NO!

That is current position taken by the US government. Contrary to some peoples understanding, the US government and it's people do not desire war. However one should not mistake a lack of desire for war with a lack of willingness to enact it. I assure you, the resolve to carry through with the military option is quite firm.

Not long ago similar scenarios were played out with regard to Afghanistan and Yugoslavia. The US government and a few of their allies asked for some specific things to be done and backed up that request with a military option.

In the case of Afghanistan, it was: Stop harboring terrorists and hand over the Al-Qaeda leaders or you will be dealt with militarily. They made their choice, they did not choose wisely.

In the case of Yugoslavia, it was: Stop killing or “ethnically cleansing” your own people and threatening your neighbors or you will be dealt with militarily. They too made their choice, and they did not choose wisely.

Now we are at the same point with Iraq, and the US government and some of their allies are now asking: Give up your weapons of mass destruction, stop killing, torturing, and raping your own people and threatening your neighbors or we will deal with you militarily.

Should the US and it’s allies be doing this? Are they being a bully for doing so? Or are they in fact to be commended for these actions against tyrants? Each must answer such questions as they see fit and as their prejudices dictate.

Nonetheless, there is a choice. No war is not the only possibility, even at this late date, however it absolutely is the default choice if what is being asked for at this time is not complied with fully. Saddam, there is a choice, please choose wisely.

Freeman

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You should start saving for retirement!!!

by LDH in

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friends

this was the advice given me on sunday by my jw dad.

i was telling him about a chance i have take a paperless stock option.. he encouraged me to put money in a safer investment, so "i would have enough to retire on.

" i told him i started saving around 95, after the generation change watchtower.

freeman

It’s funny how the borg “Armageddon any time now” programming is so embedded. In 1987 I moved from my home state, started a new job, and stopped going to meetings. At one level I had made the break and abandoned the tower and it’s teachings, or so I thought.

In that year I was offered a chance to join the company 401k plan. I declined, and for a number of years thereafter did not save a dime for retirement. Now I find myself playing catch-up and it’s all because the deeply entrenched jw programming caused me to “reason” it would be foolish to save for the future. Now how foolish is that!

Being part of a cult is a dangerous thing. It’s a danger to your health, to your happiness, and to your future. Please learn from my example.

STAY AWAY FROM CULTS LIKE THE WATCHTOWER!

Freeman

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Does God define "right and wrong" or is there an intrinsic 'good' ?

by Simon in

i don't personally believe in a 'god' but i wonder for those who do .... is there an intrinsic "right and wrong" or moral code that would exist whether or not there was a god?.

to put it another way, is what we believe is "right or wrong" based on whatever god decides is right or wrong (ie.

he set's the standard) or is it an intrinisc thing that he also must adhere to in order to be thought of as 'good'.. if god has to adhere and go along with some intrinsic value system then does this effect any claims to be omnipotent and always good?

freeman

I would hope that it is not the god of the bible that defines the standard of what is good or bad because the examples of the god of love set forth in this book are quite malevolent to say the least.

You know the god of the bible, the god of love, don’t you?

He is the one who orders the annihilation of people wholesale including young children and infants and gets very pissed when some are spared. He is the one who declares his servant righteous when he proceeds to hand his own daughters over to a crowd to be gang-raped.

Is it not amazing that the average godless atheist holds to a much higher standard of conduct then the so-called god of love himself? Is it not amazing?

Freeman