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  Dr's Were Talking About Giving Me a Transfusion - Hubby's Reaction and update on him...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, when i was giving birth there were some complications.

  the dr. came in and told hubby and i that they were probably going to want to give me a transfusion as i had lost so much blood.

  i looked at my husband for his reaction.

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  Robert7

  Congrats on the baby!!! and great progress with the husband!!!
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  "We are not hear to change your religion"....why do Witnesses lie?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the truth = yes we are!!

  ive said this in the past but really why am i at the door...not to sell vaccum cleaners!

  we dont "force" people to change religions.....we just force them to stay in with disfellowshiping......."we don't hate gays".......we are just waiting for them to be burnt to death at armagedon..

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  Robert7

  To their credit, most JWs don't realize this. If they do, they feel the end justifies the means.

  Very true. I remember knowing it wasn't true, but the ends did justify the means. If it was to bring people into the truth, then it was fine.
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  "We are not hear to change your religion"....why do Witnesses lie?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the truth = yes we are!!

  ive said this in the past but really why am i at the door...not to sell vaccum cleaners!

  we dont "force" people to change religions.....we just force them to stay in with disfellowshiping......."we don't hate gays".......we are just waiting for them to be burnt to death at armagedon..

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  This is classic dissonance. JWs believe both that they are preaching to only "encourage Bible reading" and also believe that they are there to find converts. I can't believe I believed this stuff and did it myself.
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  Which Dishwasher should I get?

  by asilentone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have kitchenaid dishwasher, which is very slow in the washing and drying dept.

  the previous owner bought it before i moved here.

  i would like to get a faster dishwasher.

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  Robert7

  I also have a Bosch, and I believe it is worth every penny to pay more money and get a better appliance that cleans better, is very quiet, and is reliable. You use it every day, so you'll get your value out of it even if you do pay more.

  In terms of being quiet, I have several times opened it up to add dishes not realizing it's running. You can hear it in complete silence, but in a normal household, you do not hear it, or barely hear it, with normal household background noise.
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  Survey: Jehovah's Witnesses pray the most nationally

  by Gayle in

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  Robert7

  DS- I agree. As a JW I would have answered 'daily' even though I didn't. You want to ensure the proper 'image' of the faith, and so would answer daily just to look good.
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  The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what was i thinking my entire life?

  during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.

  and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.

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  Robert7

  This level of submission was one of the BIG dissonances I had as I was mentall leaving. I knew better than to trust ANYONE blindly. We are thinking individuals, and ultimately decisions are mine, and no one else's.

  I remember thinking during meetings "blind devotion is dangerous" and "YOU are NOT telling ME whether my kids can go to college or not".

  This was probably during the last few months before I finally left the faith, so the dissonance was piling on.
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  Were you afraid to go to a bar?

  by rebel8 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  someone who shall remain nameless (*cough*snowbird*cough) mentioned she has never been to a bar.. this shocks me.. i was remembering how terrified i was of going to a bar when i was exiting the mother ship.

  i was looking for the lightning bolts to get me.

  and it was a big nothing really.

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  Robert7

  I never had a problem, and many times went to bars when I traveled. I went to just have a beer and hang out, and nothing more. I've met some cool people, who were business travelers like me and were doing the same.

  Of course 'bar' is a loaded word, because the JWs think of dirty scary places full of drunks and guys and girls hooking up. In reality most bars (at least that I went to) are quite nice, people always friendly, virtually never any drunks, and for better or worse, no girls hitting on me.

  As I was leaving the truth, my mom told my worldly brother that I am "becoming more worldly, and he even goes to bars!"
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  What finally pushed you over the edge?

  by keyser soze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was there one issue or incident, final straw, so-to-speak, that made you leave once and for all?

  i know there was for me.. i had been having doubts for years, and had stopped believing it was the truth.

  but i labored on as a jw, in part because of my family, and in part because i had invested so much of myself in it.

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  For me it was the worship of the Governing Body. EVERY prayer, SO many meetings and WT pubs would talk abou the Governing Body. I had SUCH dissonance because it felt so wrong. I thought God and Jesus were to be on top, and the GB was just a channel... so why give them so much attention.

  I have heard talks that defined idolatry. They said if you give excessive and undue attention to something (like sports, cars, etc) then it's idolatry. So to me the worship of the GB was idolatry.

  I of course had many many doubts, but this was the last straw...
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  $6,600 Expenses For a One-Day Assembly At a Fully-Paid-Up Hall? WTF!

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wife just got back from a one-day special circuit meeting (or whatever they call it) at the regional assembly hall.

  it's got a capacity of about 1,200, fully paid for, staffed by volunteers and in use for less than eight hours.

  then the guy making the announcement tells the crowd that the one-day expenses for the gig was about $6,600 (?!!!)...

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  Robert7

  I've thought about that too when I've been to assemblies. I wonder if it's a fully loaded average. Even though it's used for 8 hours, it is still probably heated and cooled every day. Plus add taxes and maintenance. That being said, that's $343,000 per year at $6,600 per weekend, so that sounds quite high if it's paid up.
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  The WT asks: Was the Flood of Noah's Day Really Global?

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the subject of the day at watchower.org is about noah's flood.. a direct link to the article is here: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080601/article_01.htm.

  in the article highlighted this comment is made:.

  geologists studying the landscape of the northwestern united states believe that as many as 100 ancient catastrophic floods once washed over the area.

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  Robert7

  It is not possible to accept the fact that The flood of Noah was a rehash of the prehistoric oral flood stories. Why? Well, Jesus believed in a future day of global judgement, just as in the day of Noah. Knowledgeable people accept that the flood of Noah was not 40 days of rain that covered the highest mountain. The son of god should have known this, too. Losing respect for Jesus means losing repect for the authority of the Watchtower Org, too.

  Great point! It's another collapsing house of cards! You have to support other lies/myths to keep up your own lies.