This damage control just makes me angry, and confirms that I made the right decision to leave. This is brainwashing at its greatest. Erase history, and replace it with a scrubbed clean version as defined by the WTS. What a cult!
Robert7
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District Convention Friday pm talk - “Answers to Questions About the Last Days”
by yadda yadda 2 indoes anyone have a report on the content of this talk please?
any "new light"?.
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Things the Watchtower Doesn't Do
by metatron inwhen examining a complex situation, i often find it useful to consider what isn't being said and what isn't being done - and why.. there are some major things that the watchtower hasn't bothered to do.
1) many congregations are full of ex-elders and ms's - almost to a point i would find embarrassing, if i were them but they don't seem to have any approach to getting these brothers back in the saddle.
neither do they seem interested in why these brothers quit and what could be done to prevent it.. 2) since the emergence of the internet and its challenges, they haven't made any deep or concerted effort at a witchhunt to clean disloyal brothers out of the organization.
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Robert7
3) They have made no attempt at a broader strategy to hold on to youth
I agree just as much for the kids, since meetings are SO kid-unfriendly. Meetings were always a huge amount of work for us parents with young kids, since there are virtually no provisions to help out. All we had was the back school to get away, or just don't go to the meetings.
If they could make the meetings more fun for kids, therefore easier for parents, I swear many kids maybe would stay. Otherwise all the kids grow up with is memories of the torture of meetings.
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Service group overseer says can't put 0 down for me
by garlic81 inservice group overseer called thursday before the meeting looking for my may time.
he tells me to email it to him and gives me his email address.
i email once from my cell, and from my pc when i get home; and i leave a voicemail for him.
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Robert7
I used to have a Book Study conductor like this. Total numbers guy. He would count infants to make the BS attendance look good. So many people hated that because it was all about numbers and perception and not about the individuals.
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What a Satanic bunch we are.
by Mickey mouse intoday's watchtower was nice.
under the heading:.
satan - a defiant adversary and apostate.
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Robert7
What mind control! They are attacking the intent of individuals, not the message.
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i just dont fit in anymore...finally figured it out...hate it.....
by oompa ineven with my jw wife.....i have told her for awhile she is prob better off without me....i was party central in jwland....nobody has had me over for two years now....i guess cause i could not shut up about some real truths about the so-called truth....now i have agreed to shut up....these guys really do have a right to their own beliefs...i am very non-judgemental and always have been......i should have shut up two years ago or so...but damm......trying to fit in with your own marriage in order to save being shunned from your blood family and a very few what is left dub friends just sucks.....starting over at midlife is such a bitch.....such a bitch..........oompa.
and ya...the fear of the unknown is really present......if all i have known is jw...i will prob not fit into real world either.
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Robert7
Oompa, everything I've seen from you shows me you will fit in fine in the real world. Hey, leading your double life has given you experience :) I think it's more the fear of the unknown more than anything, but it's really not as unknown as you think it is.
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O how life changes after 5hr jc...thank simon for my jwd friends!!!!
by oompa inthank simon not god...started to say thank god....trying to avoid that like saying "in the truth"...."worldy"....those two are hard to break........but still.....giving up on what was a good marriage is a bitch....and i am not done yet....some of my now close jwd friends had mates that came out pretty fast.......some not.......i am of the not variety.
the one in thing one out is such a tightrope to walk and it takes a toll on both partners.
i think she would be so much happier without me...but she really loves me deeply.....unfortunately she also has the false hope her prayers will be answered and i will serve jah again........damm this is tough......thanks all...esp st. ann...i called you today, but no answer...did not leave message.
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Robert7
Oompa, I am glad you were able to hang out at my place. After what you been through being alone would have not been a good thing. We had some good times!
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Video: Stand Firm Against the Devil's Crafty Acts!
by Shepherd Book inthere's been a lot of talk on here about the crazy symposium at this spring's circuit assemblies, "stand firm against the devil's crafty acts.
" so, my wife and i decided to attend the assembly, or at least just this symposium anyway.
i recorded the whole symposium.. you can listen to the whole symposium (4 talks, >1 hour) here: http://www.watchtowerletters.com/media/devils_crafty_acts.mp3.
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Robert7
That video was EXCELLENT. I love all of Satan's "crafty" acts... aparently he's a great basketweaver and knitter...who knew? It is scarey to think we did sit and listen to it all, and as much as i would have rolled my eyes during lots of parts of this talk... i realize that the indoctrinization is all over it.
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"Commenting" at Meetings
by cameo-d ini don't quite understand why you call it commenting.. when i attended meeting the question at end were read.. when people "commented" it was never a real comment.. it was just reading back word for word a sentence or two from the paragraph that answered the question.. i would think "commentary" would be something you put in your own words and give a personal statement about it.. .
why do you call it "comments" when it is more like reciting?.
or is it different in other kh?.
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Robert7
I struggled with this a lot actually during my last few years at meetings. I felt it too insulting to my intelligence to 'comment' by repeating exactly what was just read. I refused completely. If I could insert in something slightly off paragraph so that it is my own thinking, then I did, but this was very rare.
What killed me was how the conductors would respond "yes, yes, very good" to comments even though they were mindless and just repeated the paragraph.
Ah, in hindsight it was dissonance building up...
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I would like know how you first found this site, and what was your first experience on here like?
by BonaFide inmy experience?
in the past few years, i liked to research stuff on the internet for talks.
and for experiences, i used to google jw's to see news articles.. then one day last year, i saw this site, and it said that it discusses anything related to jw's.
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Robert7
When the WT mind control broke, I realized I was an Atheist. Now coming from the Witnesses to become an Atheist seemed quite crazy. So I Googled for stories of JW's becoming Atheists, and I found this site with many great personal stories.
For the first few months, JWD was my "anti-spiritual food". Since I was still going to meetings at the time, it helped keep a perspective on the reality of the WTS.
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What % of WT Society Higher Ups Really Believe what the WT Teaches ?
by flipper inas opposed to how many gb members, wt legal, wt corporate attorneys and the powers of the wt society know it's a big scam to exert power and control over it's members ?
as always i look forward to your opinions and observations .
peace out to all, mr. flipper.
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Robert7
I really believe that most higher-ups believe it all. You just get wrapped up in it all, especially in that level. Everything else just gets in the catch-all responses of "they're imperfect men" and "wait upon Jehovah".
It's kind of like trying to argue against someone in the ministry. They are at the height of their zeal, and you likely won't get to them. Same with the higher ups. They are at their peaks, and they just swallow it all up.