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  Kingdoms of Satan

  by winnower in

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  ezra 1:2this is what cyrus king of persia says: .

  the lord, the god of heaven, has given all the kingdoms of the earth to me, and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at jerusalem in judah.

  who is this lord god of heaven who offered the kingdoms of the earth to cyrus?

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  Ezra 1:2 This is what Cyrus king of Persia says:
  The Lord, the God of heaven, has given all the kingdoms of the earth to me, and he has appointed me to build a Temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Who is this Lord God of heaven who offered the kingdoms of the earth to Cyrus? Matthew 4:8-9 Again the devil took Jesus to a very high mountain. He had Jesus look at all the nations of the world to see how great they were. He said to Jesus, "I will give You all these nations if You will get down at my feet and worship me." Do you wonder if this old testament blood drinking god is really satan? Do you think the Kingdoms of the World are all the RELIGIONS? (Re:Legion ....My name is Legion... for we are many) Have people involved in religions been duped? Have they actually been worshipping Satan? Get out of her, o, my people! Has the true Creator left words to us that are still there between the lines? Have the nephilim tried to blur those lines? who is this jehovah? is he the blood drinking god?
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  7th Anniversary on JWD

  by blondie in

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  i just realized that 5-28 was my 7th anniversary on jwd.

  my participation has changed over time and most of what i do is the review each week.

  people have come and gone, lots of new names, and some old-timers like me.

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  Blondie, I am constantly amazed that you are such a storehouse of knowledge. You know the WT material like the back of your hand! Someone mentions an item or quote and you are right there with the document in minutes. You are a strong backbone here. The WTS will never get away with saying "oh, we didn't say that" because you know they did and you know right where to find it in print! Your contributions of documentation from their materials have been a genuine labor of love for everyone here. Every time I see a Blondie post, I envision you tearing that page of watchtower out and stuffing it in the mouth of the lying buzzards who wrote it! Don't ever feel that your life was wasted all those years. Think of it as being in training to do a great service. You have turned misery into triumph. You are an OVERCOMER. Romans 12:1 (New Century version) So brothers and sisters, since God has shown us great mercy, I beg you to offer your lives as a living sacrifice to him. That's what you do everyday that you are at this board. Your life is a living sacrifice to help others, to expose the lies so that many can come to see the truth. You often give good advice, too, like the do's and don'ts on how to deal with JW family members once you're out (recent post). Since your presentations on WTS scripts are factual, you give accuracy where memories slip. You are a very valuable contributor at JWD. I think the Holy Spirit is using your hand to help serve a dish of vengeance. Make WTS eat their words, Blondie! Everybody loves you, so I know this is going to be a long thread with many stopping by to tell you just that. Winnower
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  The Ark of the Covenant

  by sacolton in

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  do you think it could be found?

  when was it last seen in the bible?.

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  so, sacolton, Are you going to tell us anything more about the ark? Do you know something you are not telling? Do you think the missing items have anything to do with lasers? Do you think it's possible that the pyramids were built using this laser technology? Do you think possession of the light-bearer technologies fell into sinister hands? Do you think the Prince of Darkness is holding the Morning Star? What do you make of the star gate theories? Do you think the holy grail is actually this "orb" thingy? And do you think it could be an "ARC"?
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  Better see this while you still can!

  by winnower in

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  i don't think it will stay very long!

  this will be the most incredible thing you have ever seen.

  it is awesome and shocking.

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  Better see this while you can. I don't think it will stay very long! This will be the most incredible thing you have ever seen. It is awesome and shocking. It is beautiful until you know the meaning behind it. Then, it will become to you a signal of great danger. Sky over China 30 minutes before the earthquake (3 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMTSDzU1Z4 2 Thessolonians 2:9 The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders-- After viewing the above video, the following is a must see. This is the explanation for what you have just seen. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7897526093857032751&q=china+sky+haarp&ei=HGtGSMSKIpWgqgLnhPCjDA&hl=en I finally understand the meaning of "the serpent and the rainbow".
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  Looking at sin under the microscope

  by truthseeker in

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  the apostle paul said that death spread to all men because we all inherited adam's sin.. the human genome was mapped in 2000.. advances are being made in genetics.. britain recently allowed the creation of human-animal hybrids.. do you think eventually that scientists will find "sin"?.

  i've just finished reading the language of god, a book about a scientist who headed the human genome project.

  he was a former atheist but turned christian.

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  truthseeker said: Do you think eventually that scientists will find "sin"? TS, It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find sin. All it takes is a good marketer with an advertising campaign. leviticus 7:7 7 " 'The same law applies to both the sin offering and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them. hosea 4:9 8 “When the people bring their sin offerings, the priests get fed.
  So the priests are glad when the people sin! Then, it was animals. Today it is money. The more they can make you feel guilty, the more $$$ you feel obliged to give. It gives a "sense of absolution." I do not believe that all this crap about sin and blood sacrifice is from the true Creator. I believe Jesus came to expose the truth about a lot of those things. He was murdered for it and the truth of it is still hushed up today. In the Book of Enoch, we are told that when the Watcher angels fell with satan and came to earth they "began to hurt the animals". The blood of the sacrifice had to be carried into the temple, into the holy of holies. After the blood was drained and sprinkled on the altar, then the priests were allowed to cook and eat the meat. Do these demon angels require human blood to survive? What is this blood sacrifice about? It started long before Jesus ever entered the picture. So don't tell me it represents that! Jesus said "I come that you might have life more abundantly" and that was the purpose and focus of his teachings. Journey-on said: "... original sin involved Eve then Adam going outside their kind and copulating with the race of humanoids that was living in their midst ..." ...could those humanoids be "angels"? Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam". Funny, it starts with Seth. There is no mention of Cain. Perhaps Cain was not of Adam. Luke 3:38 also supports this with no mention of Cain in Adam's geneology. Cain......baal...........Cannibal???
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  EXPLAIN THIS.......Real, mystical, or what?

  by journey-on in

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  all the talk on recent threads about what is real and what is beyond the explainable made me decide to reveal something that happened to me.

  i usually keep these things close to the vest, because i truly do believe in the phrase: "he that knows does not speak.

  he that speaks does not know.

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  JO, I believe that what you experienced is confirmation that your prayers are heard. Someone is listening. When you pray it does not have to be a spoken word. Prayers often come from the heart up into the mind. There is a supernatural communication. There is a link. He knows our heart and our hearts desire. I have had several experiences like that. I know Jesus hears prayers. I know the Holy Spirit was sent to give us comfort. And some of my experiences, like yours, have made me laugh and cry at the same time because the True Creator has an awesome sense of humor! Prayers are answered. We just have to learn how to listen. Winnower
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  For JW Apologists - What is Your Motive for Posting on JWD ?

  by flipper in

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  i was just curious about this - as i've noticed that when some on the board are trying to be helpful or assist some who have faded or exited the jehovah's witnesses to deal with their circumstances - whether it's dealing with believing mates, relatives, or in making an independent stand for their freedom - at times people will come on the board sticking up for the cult mind control ways of the jws and attempt to hinder some of us from assisting a person to attain freedom from the witness cult .

  i guess my question is - what would make a person come join an obvious anti-witness discussion board to come and communicate positive vibes about the witnesses ?

  correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't there jehovah's witnesses websites people can post on to find and enjoy those of like mind and faith.

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  Mr. Flipper says: What would make a person come join an obvious anti-witness discussion board to come and communicate positive vibes about the witnesses ? Perhaps they are sincerely misguided and think they are doing the right thing. OR Maybe they are not sure of what they have been taught and are hoping someone will refute them with something that makes more sense, like the real truth. Flippers, I think this is part of the "lost sheep" campaign and it started several weeks ago. It seems to be nothing more than a plan to antagonize and upset these abused sheep here with the same stupid rhetoric. I think a lot of these OVERCOMERS have been getting calls and letters personally over the past month as well as board infiltration. Also 2 Peter 2:16 tells us about a "dumb a$$ speaking with the voice of a man". I think we have seen scriptural confirmation that those things indeed do happen! The saddest thing is the predictibility. They have memorized about 20 scriptures and use one of those to answer any question whether it applies or not. They are seriously mentally damaged. And they are all like carbon copies. It is pitiful. Does it not make you all grateful to realize you broke away before the zombification became complete? I hope the apologists stick around for a little while, because very soon I have a message for them. They need to know "What God Requires of"...them!
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  "I see you are still alive"

  by Honesty in

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  i went to the local post office today.. a car pulled up with 2 men and a young woman inside.. i smiled and said, "hi.

  " the man who was driving waved, backed out of the parking space and moved 3 spaces down towards the next business in the strip mall.. the driver walked over and said, "i see you are still alive.".

  i said, "yes, god has kept me alive for the last 3 years.

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  Good for you Honesty! I am so glad to know you feel that way. Powerful words. I think you just "cast out" your first demon. Demons tremble at the mention of Jesus. See? It's true. (Sometimes demons do not leave the bodies they inhabit; but they will certainly run from you.) W
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  Is there anyone here formerly of the "Annointed"?

  by Low-Key Lysmith in

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  i'm sure this question has been asked here before, but i was wondering if someone would care to enlighten us as to the undeniable "sign" or occurence that makes folks believe that they are of the annointed class?.

  ....or am i asking too personal a question?.

  i've always been really curious as to what happens to these people to make them believe this beyond a shadow of a doubt.. apparitions?.

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  I think many of you are confused about this issue. There are some people here who have done a great deal to expose the fraud in your organization. They have done great works and have sacrificed and given up whatever personal aspirations they may have had for themselves in order to pursue exposing the injustices done to all of you. You know all the people I am talking about. Others have given over their lives to helping you to heal and regain your sense of self. They have helped you to become the overcomers that you are now. These people have watched over you and guided you. They have given you comfort and vindication. Some have given you a voice and an arena. Jesus said "The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep." (John 10:11) These people have given their lives, in the work that they have done, in caring for you, the sheep. These are your genuine Annointed and it is no mystery. You know their names. There are Annointed from all walks of life, not just x-JWs. Most of these annointed do not even think of themselves as having been "annointed"; they only know they have a passion for truth, justice, protecting the defenseless, and just enormous love. They are always humble, self-sacrificing people. These people are not going to tell you stories about angels appearing and pouring oil on their heads. Nor will they ever speak about "how special they are to God". In their chosen path they are serving the True Creator and helping their fellow man by living in a manner that demonstrates the principles Jesus taught. They would never brag about "being annointed". Some may have never even thought about it. They just know in their heart they were commissioned to do a certain work because they feel so strongly about it and they have an incredible sense of truth and rightness. I don't think the annointed dwell on any thoughts such as "heavenly hope"; they are too busy and involved with the things they are being bombarded with here.The scriptures say they follow the lamb wherever he goes. So they would be willing to do whatever is asked of them whether its Heaven or Mars or Jupiter. They are not attached to earthly distractions; their attachment is to pursuing rightness, truth, love. If anyone tells you they are annointed and you do not see the fruits of the spirit, don't believe it. If someone tells you they are annointed and don't know why, don't believe it. If you see arrogance and an inclination to be "set apart" as someone more perfect or special, don't believe it. The genuine annointed would be someone you cannot help but love and respect. They would never weild power over you nor make you feel small. From what I have seen here, even those who are claiming to be annointed have an obvious selfishness and are more concerned about "what's in it for me (self-glory) " than doing anything self sacrificing for the flock. And some of you seem to be more concerned about your genitals than anything spiritual. One thing I can tell you for sure is that there are no annointed in any Kingdom Hall. The genuine annointed will not be found participating in satan's kingdom of religions.
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  Gopher's scripture is a Nephilim rendering

  by winnower in

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  2. bible

  gopher, i am glad you brought up this scripture in luke.

  luke 14:26:if anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple.

  this is not what jesus said.

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  From Gopher: So these contradictions in meaning/spirit found in the Bible must prove one of the following: (1) God wrote the Bible, but was unable to prevent alterations (2) The gross inconsistencies in the Bible mean that "God" had nothing to do with the Bible, but that it is the word of men or (3) God really meant to write inconsistencies in the Bible to test people (to see if they'd follow the hateful or loving course).

  I think #2 is true. Gopher, you are somewhat correct. It seems to me that the Old Testament chronicles man's effort to explain his existence and chronicles his efforts to reach his Creator. I do believe that some indeed found a Divine Guidance and certain intellect reflects that, especially when I read Proverbs. There is a very interesting post here http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/159132/1.ashx. It's short. Here's a brief excerpt: At the time we were studying the Psalms and used a book called "Psalms For All Seasons" by John F. Craghan (1993 Liturgical Press) as a resource. Imagine my shock when we read the author's comments about Psalm 19, that it was "originally a pagan hymn honoring the Semitic god El...In its Israelite form the hymn naturally praises the God of Israel." Or his comments on Psalm 29 as follows, "Scholars generally agree that this Psalm was originally a pagan composition extolling the Canaanite god Baal, the weather god who through storms and rains brings fertility to the earth...The heavenly beings in verse 1 were originally the minor gods of the Canaanite pantheon. In appropriating this hymn for her worship, Israel substituted the name of her god Yahweh (translated "the Lord") for that of Baal." I firmly believe much has been "tampered with" in the scriptures. I see a lot of mythology in Genesis. I am not a bible scholar and I cannot discuss those things on an academic level. I only know that the Holy Spirit gives discernment and I believe that comes through intellect (study, reading, thirst for knowledge) intuition (indwelling of Holy Spirit) prayer (acknowledgment of a True Creator who tried to communicate with us through His son). There are some true guiding words in the scriptures, but alas the weeds have grown in among the wheat. When I read scriptures like you presented, Gopher, I just cringe. I know there is too much opposing information about the personality and mission of Jesus. And I know in my heart and my intellect that the scripture you presented does not fit. That's why I took it line by line and showed you with opposing scripture that it cannot be true. I don't know who this 'Jehovah' god is, but it is certainly not the True Creator. If the True Creator has a name, I do not know it. Maybe he does and it has been hidden from us. Maybe its just not that important for now. Maybe we are just supposed to concentrate on his Messenger Son. I think importance of the name is just a big distraction of watchtower to keep people in confusion and not focus on the real message from his son who was sent here in the flesh. Jesus was run out of the Temples and often run out of town. Why? He was exposing some things that were corrupt teachings even then. When he was crucified, it was the Temple soldiers who came for him. He was exposing some of the lies that are probably still being told today. I have a sense of much being amiss in both the old and new testaments. The guilt motive to control people has existed even before the time of Jesus. It's scriptural: Hosea 4: 8 Since the priests live off the sin offerings of the people, they want the people to sin more and more.
  9 The priests are as wrong as the people, and I will punish them both for what they have done. I will repay them for the wrong they have done. The phrase "Jesus died for our sins" is something concocted by the religions to beat us over the head with guilt. Jesus came to live to show us how to "have life more abundantly." He was murdered because he was a whistle-blower. He exposed the "religions" for their hypocrisies. Here is another topic of interest and conflict. Cain was a tiller of the soil. Baal was the god of agriculture. The Caanities worshiped baal. Seems to me that's the origin of the world "cannibal". Were they cannibals because of low intellect or lack of feelings for one another? Or were they cannibals as part of a worship ritual to satan? I believe satan is a real entity; he is a fallen angel. Could Cain have been the offspring of Eve and Satan? Was that "the fruit"? Did Eve shake the peaches on Satan's tree? Could the "mark of Cain" be blood sacrifice ritual? I have just as many questions as you do. Look at genesis 5:1. "This is the book of the generations of Adam." Then, it never mentions Cain at all! Genesis 5:3:...."begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:" It never says Cain was in Adam's image and nor any mention as belonging to Adam's lineage. This is also upheld at Luke 3:38. Go figure! I do not believe the True Creator would ask Abraham to kill his son. That just does not ring true to me about a loving God. I think Abraham was serving Baal at that time. Perhaps he felt a communication with the True Creator at the time his son was spared and that changed him. The True Creator did not send his "only begotton son" for the exclusive purpose of dying a tortuous death. He sent his son to teach us how to live better lives. He gave us examples of what it means to love one another. Maybe people were too barbaric to know how to express that. Maybe love which should have been innate was suppressed by dictates of a harsh societal environment. I don't know. I can only wonder. In so many religions the focus seems to be on the death of Jesus rather than the life of the man. Just like the big ceremony of Memorial. There has always been something about that that creeps me out. And especially since the witnesses make a such an ordeal about "No blood" and making a scene asking grocery store butchers how the chickens were killed, etc. Why would they participate in a ceremony that even represents blood drinking? Are they vampires for one night only? Gopher, I think there is actually something sinister behind that ritual. I think of Revelation 17:6 : Then I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people and with the blood of those who were killed because of their faith in Jesus. When I saw the woman, I was very amazed. I think the "amazement" will be when people realize that the "woman" is the religions of the world. And those who drink the blood are those who are worshiping the god of this world---Satan. In the WT congregation, they are told that they must be "Worthy." They would have you think that 'worthy' means living close to perfection. But by definition, worthy means "deserving". Now read it in that context. Revelation 16:4 They poured out the blood of saints and prophets so you've given them blood to drink— they've gotten what they deserve! The drinking of blood and using that ritual identify satan's minions. Who are they? They will come about through the "religious element" in the last days. Many of these people who are participating in religious worship will not realize that they have been giving homage to Satan until the very end. And I mean every religion is satan's domain. There is no "true" religion. There is only "truth in spirit".