i have known a few anointed and a few bethlites.
after researching pubilcations and the watchtower websites i belife the faithful slave does not exist in a tangible form and is a ghostwriter for the entire org.
everything is subcontracted from mostly the great crowd now billed as corespondants.
The "Faithfull and Discreet Slave Class" is a figment of the imagination. There is nothing in the Scriptures that could possibly indicate that his illustration used by Jesus has any relationship to an earthly organisation or person, at any time or any place.
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but do we see anything today like a ?disgusting thing?
(revelation 17:11) it will yet turn out to be a ?thing that causes desolation.?
and the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts .
A great piece of work Black Sheep but I hope that you have far more luck with your loved ones than I have had with mine over the years.
I have written numerous pieces like your own, starting with absolute and totally convincing evidence – including scriptural evidence - that the 607 B.C.E. date was completely wrong. I spent months researching and writing it and all I got was "don’t confuse me with the facts. I know what I believe is right. Whatever you or anyone else says I know I have the truth".
It can be heartbreaking at times.
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what would be the *real* motive then, if not the library card, for the wtbts to become an ngo?
is it possible someone got confused or misinformed that they needed to become an ngo to continue with the library?
i can't for the life of me figure out the motive.
confusedjw,
If you read the U.N. web site as to why N.G.O.’s affiliate to them you will be able to answer your own question without relying on the apostates here. All the perks are given and it becomes obvious that being an N.G.O. gives added status and credibility to any religion that is affiliated, particularly when it comes to things like negotiating with governments.
That’s just for starters, you will find plenty more reasons if you look at the perks and benefits and think how they would be of use to someone like the Watchtower.
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i just told a dub here at work about the letter.
when the dub told me i was on my way out of watchtower-land anyhow, but the blatant hypocrisy just floored me.
okay, so here's how the conversation went:
ascot,
Whenever I bring up something like the U.N. business I nearly always get the same response from any member of my dub family:
"What has that got to do with anything" or "Why should I need to know that"
There is just nothing in this whole world that the Society could do that would make them doubt for an instant that they, and they alone, have the "truth". The Governing Body is completely incapable of any form of error in their eyes and could never do or say anything that was not completely right in every way.
I’ve given up and don’t even try any more!
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unfortunately, in my experience not.
even most of the elders i have met have a poor knowledge of what the society teaches.
some basic questions will still get "mature" ones scratching their heads.. .
And don't forget the big one:
"How is it possible to arrive at 607 B.C.E. for the date of the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem?".
It is upon this question that all other doctrines rest and I have never found a JW who could explain to me (or himself) how the Society arrives at this date and the rest of mankind arrive at 587 B.C.E.
Even "Scholar" has never been able to do this properly.
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i've noticed that they are two seperate beings entirely.
i just think about the ot circumstances, when wandering through the wilderness god guided moses and the tribe with a huge smoke cloud during the day and a pillar of fire during the night.
to prove that joshua (i believe) was to lead the people god made dew appear on a rag in the morning and no where else, then when joshua questioned again he made the opposite occur.
Love-Truth,
Perhaps I misunderstood your question?
What I was getting at is the JW belief that some people on earth today are anointed with Gods Holy Spirit. ("to chose by Divine intervention", from your definitions)
It would seem that this anointing, like that of first century Christians, was/is a miracle.
Of course, if you don't agree that this anointing can be classed as a miracle then there is no question to answer.
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i've noticed that they are two seperate beings entirely.
i just think about the ot circumstances, when wandering through the wilderness god guided moses and the tribe with a huge smoke cloud during the day and a pillar of fire during the night.
to prove that joshua (i believe) was to lead the people god made dew appear on a rag in the morning and no where else, then when joshua questioned again he made the opposite occur.
Love_Truth, you seem a knowledgeable sort.
Good question. IMO, it's because those miracles were done away with shortly after Jesus' ransom sacrifice.
Can you tell me if anointing was one of the miracles that was done away with at the same time?
This is a genuine question and I would appreciate your thoughts.
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i had a very interesting phone call today.
a sister (fader) called me, and told me how she and her husband (ex elder) have been thinking about me, and talking late into the night about what they could do for me.
they knew i was disfellowshipped now, and remembered the kindnesses i extended to them for many years while i was an elder.
happy man, you are making some good points in your post. I often think about the Statute of Limitations that they have on offences in America and how unjust this can be at times. You can commit a serious crime, disappear, then return home and never be prosecuted for the crime.
It seems all wrong to me but then as you rightly point out, who decides on punishment 30 or 40 years later?
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check out the official jw-media site and find their 'official' response to the accusations of child abuse within its organisation.. they simply feature this quote:.
"people didn't have the body of knowledge 18 or 20 years ago to say that this is something that will harm your child emotionally, if you don't address it.
parents didn't know the seriousness ... and the long-term effects.".
Has anone done a search on the credentials of Dr. Gail Bethea-Jackson, LCSW-C, B.C.D., ?
I have and nobody seems to have ever heard of her! Can somebody else please try?
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I envisage the day when almost all Jehovah's Witnesses will be conversant with apostate tactics and will be able effectively to counter many of the arguments made. I already know many such personally and through the Internet.
This says far more for the apostates than it does for the Witnesses. You only have to organise a defence against an effective attack. None of this would be necessary unless the apostates were having a serious influence in demonstrating the real truth about "the truth".
You could refer to this as "theocratic warefare", but it smacks more of Nazi type fanatical extremism.
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