Thanks for the movie recommend! My husband and i watched it last night. (we've been in a dry spell, and have lately been reduced to watching reruns of the old Mary Tyler Moore Show on hulu. lol) For anyone who has Netflix, it's on "Instant Play". Wow, it was really sad, but interesting. I had heard of the Mountain Meadow Massacre, but didn't really know the details.
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Just watched SEPTEMBER DAWN ...
by sacolton inabsolutely shocking movie about the mountain meadows massacre!.
a real black-eye of the history of mormons .... .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mountain_meadows_massacre.
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History of the Second Advent Message by Isaac Wellcome -- PDF!
by cabasilas inof possible interest to those studying the origins of the watchtower movement.. .
a pdf of isaac c. wellcomes 1874 publication history of the second advent message and mission, doctrine and people.
wellcome was a member of the advent christian church, the same denomination that george stetson and jonas wendell belonged to.
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Thank you for this, Cabasilas! I've been extremely interested in reading on this topic, ever since I read The Great Controversy by Ellen White. My head was spinning, as she gave her take on William Miller, trying to justify and explain everything that had happened, etc. It was so....Orwellian!
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JWs still working for their salvation?
by sacolton inif so, i guess jesus died in vain.
when does a jw know he/she has performed enough works to have eternal life?
do the elders let them know?.
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deputy, you have a pm.
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JWs still working for their salvation?
by sacolton inif so, i guess jesus died in vain.
when does a jw know he/she has performed enough works to have eternal life?
do the elders let them know?.
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I love that, Deputy Dog! Soli Deo GLoria!
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Went to District Convention this weekend with no Badge brother talks in 3rd person to Witnesses "Who's this guy? A study? WTF
by Witness 007 ina brother who's a friend of mine introduces me...but i have no "keep on the watch" badge so he stares at me...then where the badge should be...then back at me...turns to the brother with me ignoring me and says "who's this guy?
is he a study.." he had a smug ass#ole look on his face.
like people without badges can't talk.
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Why do they spend so much time distributing those brochure thingies, inviting worldly people to the convention? What if a lot of them came, and got a reception like that. wow. I thought they had a policy of love bombing outsiders, to show them how fun it is to be JW?
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Deputy - hm, that does sound familiar, i think i've heard of that on blogs and such. Never delved into it.
"they have a real hard time with me." major LOL! If the convo goes to prophecy, just quickly change the subject to the Iconoclastic Controversy or something.
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I completely turned away from the Rapture idea, once i learned about the Reformation and read the writings of the Reformers, and read church history in depth. Also, studying JW and Millerism and Adventism, etc. Too eerily similar. Went through "rapture fever' at the end of the 70's. Evangelicals had their own "this generation" . Some claimed the start time as the time that Israel came back into the land as a country. -- My fave book on this topic now is called "Last Days Madness" by Gary DeMar. Gotta love that title, LOL. -- Most Protestants are pretty chill with each other, as to differences in how we look at prophecy , Second Coming, etc.
The first Left Behind book i found so superficial, horrible writing, etc. But still love pre-trib rapture people, and some are my close friends. :)
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JWs are pretty worldly compared to these historical dudes!
by AuntBee instylites or pillar saints.
by far the most celebrated are simeon the stylite of syria, and daniel the stylite of constantinople.
simeon spent thirty-seven years on different pillars, each loftier and narrower than the preceding.
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Stylites or Pillar Saints. By far the most celebrated are Simeon the Stylite of Syria, and Daniel the Stylite of Constantinople. Simeon spent thirty-seven years on different pillars, each loftier and narrower than the preceding. The last was sixty-six feet high. He died in 460, aged seventy-two. Daniel lived thirty-three years on a pillar, and was not unfrequently nearly blown from it by the storms from Thrace. He died in 494. Tennyson has a poem on Simeon Stylites.
"I, Simeon of the Pillar by surname.
Stylites among men- I, Simeon,
The watcher on the column till the end."I think these guys were the heretofore untraceable "God's organization" during the early Medieval period. They had no part of the world, and were too emaciated to take up arms. Meeting attendance may have been somewhat sketchy, though.
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Ephesians
by PSacramento inephesians is a letter in the nt, typically supposed to have ben authour by paul to the ephesians but not only the authorship is debated but so is the target audience, the ephesians part not being noted in the earliest available scriptures.. dated at around 8-100 ad and supposedly during paul's captivity, it does gives us some insight into (perhaps) 2nd generation chrisianity and paul's effect on them.. chapter 1 has some passages of note:.
grace is given freely (we are blessed with it) by jesus ( called beloved or the one he, god, loved) -1:6. in jesus we have redemption, forgiveness of sins according to god's grace - 1:7. god's plan is to bring everything ( heaven and earth) together under jesus, god has an (unknown to us) timeline for that.
- 1:10. we have been chosen ( are heirs), predestined according to god - 1:11 and, being the first to have hope in christ, might be for the praise of hid glory - 1:12.. 1:13 -"and you were also included when you heard the word of truth, the gospel and having believed, were marked by the holy spirit with a seal".
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Way to go! It sounds like you're finding out What the Bible REALLY Teaches!!
cheers,auntbee
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i have connected with my best friend from highschool!
by oompa inthank you facebook!.....i so regret breaking off all my "worldly" friendships once i graduated.......they are all still friends as i could see all my buddies friends on his facebook page....it was weird as i knew just about all of them....i guess they stayed lifelong friends like i thought i had with my dub group............. .anyhoo he gets me a bit since he had a jw aunt and he knew my family were dubs..........funny we talked about my exit a bit and he tells me he knows a guy who left recently and it cause a lot of family problems!
!.....sure hope to meet that guy too..........anyhoo, im not just making new friends, i am finding old ones now..........oompa.
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Hey Oompa, is it common for JW teens to break off the worldly friends after graduating high school? Is it like, ok to hang with them, while you're still in high school, but considered a lot worse once you graduated?
Too long to go into, but i'm interested in this because of a personal situation.
thanks