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  Early Civilizations and Bible Chronology...Part 2

  by xelder in

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  was away from my normal computer and so my two posts to start the first thread didn't show.. however, thanks to all who picked up the topic and commented shadesofgrey, sizemik, lars, designs, otwo, jwfacts.

  since i never commented on my own thread, i thought i should and thank everyone.. adam's claimed date of creation of c. 4000 bc was mentioned, however, the bible would have everyone coming from noah at c. 2650 bc.

  american civilizations are said to date prior to the usual biblical date of the flood.

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  Was away from my normal computer and so my two posts to start the first thread didn't show.

  However, thanks to all who picked up the topic and commented ShadesofGrey, Sizemik, Lars, Designs, OTWO, JWfacts. Since I never commented on my own thread, I thought I should and thank everyone.

  Adam's claimed date of creation of c. 4000 BC was mentioned, however, the Bible would have everyone coming from Noah at c. 2650 BC. American civilizations are said to date prior to the usual Biblical date of the flood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pre-Columbian_cultures It seems quite unlikely that the America's would be settled in such a short time since the likely route seems to be through Alaska.

  The following is an example of C14 being confirmed by calcifications that have grown over cave paintings in Chauvet Cave in France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvet_Cave 20000 - 35000 years ago. Netflix has a great documentary about the cave.

  In light of these (as well as many, many other) examples, I just can't take Bible chronology seriously. All life we know came from c 2650 after Noah's flood? Not to mention, how did Penguins get to Antarctica?

  Thanks again in advance for all your comments, and for keeping it respectful.
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  Early Civilizations and Bible Chronology

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  I guess I am no more a girlfriend in dilemma

  by DilemmaGF in

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  i think my boyfriend just dumped for jw.

  he is an inactive jw, he was the the one who started tp pursue the relationship and now he kind of shunning me.

  i don't why, maybe because he sensed that i am trying to tell him a lot about the true jesus and because he felt like he can't convert me, but that's okay, i understand.

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  Welcome,

  Sounds like the young man is typical of young male confused JW's
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  2/15 WT - WTS Controls by Fear, Confusion, Separating Friends & Family

  by flipper in

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  once again in a wt study article entitled " imitate jesus' example of watchfulness " the wt society tries to control jw members through fear mongering, confusing them by inconsistent and contradictory wording, and emphasizing devotion to wt society " sacred service " over devotion to family and friends.. we all know the wt society has always said that " nobody knows the day and hour " of the alleged armageddon - yet out of the same mouth the wt society claims to know the " day " of the end close enough to have duped people with 1975 and put fear into jw's that the " end " is " imminent" .

  notice these quotes from paragraph 4 in this article.

  it states, " in brief, jesus wants us to remain watchful because of what we know and what we do not know.

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  Mr Flipper {sigh} my, my, my {shakes head},

  Dont you realize that Russell, Joe Rutherford, Knorr, Freddie, and Ted are all looking down at you from God's right hand and frowning?
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  What are the "Hebrew versions" of the Christian Greek Scriptures referred to in Appendix 1 of the New World Translation?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  appendix 1 of the new world translation is entitled "the divine name in the hebrew scriptures and in the christian greek scriptures "jehovah.

  " - hebrew (yhwh or jhvh)".

  it says in part: "to avoid overstepping the bounds of a translator into the field of exegesis, we have been most cautious about rendering the divine name in the christian greek scriptures, always carefully considering the hebrew scriptures as a background.

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  http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=825:how-the-watchtower-society-has-kept-us-from-honoring-the-son&catid=106:sherry-jansma&Itemid=661

  Sherry Jansma explains it well
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  question for older ex-elders

  by scooterspank in

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  i have only just begun to talk to my father about why he left the truth.

  i know why he stepped down as an elder many years ago but we have just scratched the surface about why he "faded" in his 60's i would say (he is now 74).

  i just wonder how much leaving the "truth" that much later in life has an effect on depression, anxiety, anger (he joined in his 30's)?

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  My wife and I both regretted the lifetime (50 years) in the Borg. We regretted what we trained our kids to be. But, we have helped our kids out of the Borg and have saved our grandkids from ever joining. I understand your dad's feelings. Everyone takes a unique path out of the Borg. Emotionally, mine differed from my wife, which differed from the kids, which differs from many of the posts on this forum. I think the key is education and accepting what idiots are the GB past and present. After that, it is an emotional process that can take time. Be glad if you save future generations the pain we suffered and the time we wasted. But also realise that some good moral qualities were learned (although they could have been learned elsewhere)
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  Fatherhood

  by xelder in

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  if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

  why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

  he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

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  You are an awesome lady Mouthy, thanks for you comments
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  Fatherhood

  by xelder in

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  if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

  why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

  he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

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  thanks Mouthy......of course I appreciate your opinion.

  Prove to me that an angel exists, opposed to God, and wants people to worship him. Prove this without relying on words written by people trying to explain why bad things happen....(I consider their thoughts as mere guesses also)
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  In your opinion...

  by iamwhoiam in

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  ...why do people choose to fade over just sending in a letter?.

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  Don't want to lose family, AND want to be available in contact when family begins to open their eyes.