Posts by Nobleheart

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New here - hello!

by sickandtired in

i can't believe i'm actually posting here.

i've been lurking for a while and i've been having doubts about this being the "truth" for years and sometimes feel really stuck and hopeless about my situation.

i'm married to an elder (who is 110% jw) and i was for the most part raised in the "truth".

'Silent Witnesses' - JW Pedophilia (Australia) VIDEO

by 3Mozzies in

thanks to mr monroe, i was able to upload this video from 2002.. .

http://vimeo.com/25581273.

'sunday' reveals the extraordinary story of how the jehovahs witnesses in australia routinely cover up cases of child abuse in their ranks and obstruct police investigations.

Nobleheart

Thank you 3Mozzies. I hadn't seen that video before.

I couldn't believe the reply that one of the victims received after asking for help to cope with the abuse...."He hadn't been praying enough" What insensitive, self righteous person would ever say that?

And yet, the 2 elders' reaction just confirms everything. One of them being so arrogant as to refuse any comment on the matter. (actually he was rude enough to suggest the reporter had a hearing impediment for keeping up with the questions, in spite of his refusal to comment.)

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Just got a message from one of my JW friends ::roll my eyes::

by Free!! in

i had a friend in the borg that i love and miss (the only one i miss for real) she got married and because she begged me to atttend her wedding i showed up after a loooong time at the kh (that was october 2010, never went back!

just for her i went that one time!

well, even though i faded and have almost zero communication w the jws every once in a while we exchage emails, typicall "i miss you" "take care" and "how's your life" kind of stuff.. she is respectful of my decision and never asks to many questions, but i make sure i always let her know i am ok and happy... so, this past weekend i emailed her just to say hello, i check my email today and have this..... "i think about you all the time too free!!.

Nobleheart

Great reply Free!!

and Welcome here! I'm really glad your life is looking good outside the org.

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Why did you leave the 'Organization'?

by XPeterX in

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in a few words.....

Nobleheart

John 4:24 - JWs aren't worshipping in Spirit and truth (even though they're taught that and many sincerely believe so).

Many of the doctrines/teachings aren't Bible based and end predictions have turned false = They aren't led by the spirit.

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StandFirm Says The Watchtower Society Has Never Lied!

by LostGeneration in

check it out:.

http://stayawake-standfirm.blogspot.com/2011/04/watchtower-society-has-never-lied.html.

standfirms disclaimer is that the definition of a lie is: "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"-emphasis added.. of course, other definitions of lie include: .

Nobleheart

Watchtower 1966 February 15 p.103 “For over thirty years before that date and for half a century since, Jehovah’s witnesses have pointed to the year 1914 as the time for the end of “the appointed times of the nations” and the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule. (Luke 21:24)”

Compare that statement with:

Prophecy (1929) p.65 “The scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D.”

and

The Scriptures show that the second presence [of the Lord] was due in 1874 .. This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874" (WT Mar 1 1923, pg 67)

This one is great too:

The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others, which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God.

If that isn't lying, I don't know what is.

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My Experience as JW

by umadevi in

hello, i am new to this site and it is comforting to know that i am not the only one that has problem with wts.

i'm 36 and single parent with 8 year old son.

i work full time from 8am to 5pm in order to support both of us.

Nobleheart

Welcome umadevi!

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Ok I left the WBTS..... now what?? kingdom hall withdrawal

by sister x in

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so my last meeting was in december 2010. i was attending the english and spanish halls for a year and just english for 6 yrs..... lots of meetings.

i had only two friends at the hall and no boyfriend/husband.

i live in a town where i know no one, no family and when i became a witness i left the one job (air force) where i had people who cared about me..... now im alllllll alone!

Nobleheart

Sister x I just sent you a pm. Click on the small envelope a couple times and you'll be able to open it.

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The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.

by whereami in

gotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.

it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.

Nobleheart

The WT misrepresents the doctrine of Trinity by inaccurately defining it as "Three Gods in one". There are several misquotes from different sources mentioned in the Trinity brochure, which are brought out at www.jwfacts.com. For example:

Trinity Brochure:

"Jesuit Fortman states: "The New Testament writers . . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead."" (ti p.6) The Triune God, Edward Fortman

The actual quote:

"They give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. But they do give us an elemental trinitarianism, the data from which such a formal doctrine of the Triune God may be formulated."

Trinity Brochure:

"The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word [tri´as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian."" (ti p.5) The Catholic Encyclopedia(newadvent.org /cathen/ 15047a.htm 21/12/2006)

The actual quote:

"The word [tri'as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom" ("Ad. Autol.", 11, 15, P. G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian."

Trinity Brochure:

"And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "And the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."" (tip.6) New Catholic Encyclopedia - p.306

The actual quote:

"The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT. ? In many places of the OT however, expressions are used in which some of the Fathers of the Church saw references or foreshadowings of the Trinity."

etc, etc.

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Not "Rocking the Boat"

by What Now? in

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these thoughts were inspired by a comment made on my very first post, in which i mentioned that while my husband and i have had our eyes opened regarding this religion were not ready to give up the friends and family just yet.

Nobleheart

I think most people here can relate to what you are experiencing now. Some still keep up appearences for the sake of family and/or friends.

You have already mentioned a number of things which can make you feel better: missing an occasional meeting or two, doing the basic minimum in service, avoiding questionable doctrine (at least you aren't getting others involved), commenting by reading scriptures only, etc.

I've done all those things when I first started in my journey outside the org., and they are indeed helpful.

However, after some time you get tired of putting on a show anytime you step inside the KH. The atmosphere there can be suffocating for someone who knows what the WT is all about, and you desperately feel like being true to yourself and what you know is right. Basically the inner voice of your conscience that cannot be ignored.

That stage is stressful and whether you like it or not (I know how hard it is!), you've got to make a decision. If you can help it, don't rush to present all possible evidence about the org to family members. Many posters here (myself included) have experienced that to be a very counterproductive approach.

I wish you success in your efforts.

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Hey its just me

by What Now? in

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i just wanted to introduce myself ... i've been following this forum for a few months and finallly joined.

my parents became witnesses when i was four years old.

even when i was younger i always had doubts (my sweet old grandparents were "wicked" and would be destroyed at armageddon???

Nobleheart

Welcome What Now!

I'm happy you were courageous enough to research facts and finally confirm your doubts. It's great your husband is also on the same page!

Good for you for looking out for your child, for him to enjoy a normal, loving childhood.

I really hope you might succeed in raising awareness about the many faulty JWs teachings with your family.

I wish you all the best!