and they are going arround, looking for gullible ones who are seeking the kingdom with honest heart
But that's not what apostates do. . .it is exactly what believing jws do!
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Apostates Shut the door of everlasting life in Men's Faces
by mankkeli ini was discussing with an elder today, and as usual the conversation drifted towards apostates and their line of reasoning, he angrily looked into my eyes with the scriptures in his hand and told me:.
(1) that apostates are destructive peddlers who shut the door of everlasting life on people as they are very sure they have no portion in there.
he quoted matt 23:13- 13 woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!
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In pursuit of my dreams
by fade_away in"followed dreams reaching higher.....couldn't survive the fall".
so the lyrics of one of my favorite bands say.. .
so i'm about to turn 27 and thanks to the good ol wt teachings of how this evil system of things is trying to corrupt us with satan's higher education, now i'm stuck in a 100+ degree warehouse making crap money handling and shipping heavy packages while following bizarre rules the boss has.
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fade-away, from my perspective you are a kid, and the world is yours for the taking!
Work out your career plan like a project - objective, costs, benefit over time, risks and mitigation, other issues. That will show you if it's worth the time and money invested.
If it looks promising, it will also help get your wife on board. Ultimately she stands to benefit as well if you are happy and earning enough.
If it doesn't stack up, consider Plan B; what other work could you enjoy that needs less education and/or pays better? I know there's a huge demand for network professionals here and you could get some training in electronics.
It's your life, take charge and let the regrets go bury themselves (but it took me long enough to work that out )
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Back from my trip home.
by Tuber ini am back from my trip home.. .
i have brought back with me three pieces of jw lit given to me by my stepmother: bible teach, was life created & the origin of life.. .
i didn't get much time to discuss religion with my stepmother, as i was pretty busy running around catching up with people.. .
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Hi Tuber!
Are you close to your little sisters? When you visit, make time for them, take them out and exchange email addresses or phone numbers.
However it goes with you stepmother, they will need an alternative viewpoint and someone "outside" they can trust. Or turn to, if ever they get baptised and then decide to leave. Remember less than half the born-in young people stick with it these days.
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WT Lexicon
by 00DAD ini was thinking it would be helpful if we put together a wt lexicon for those that are not too familiar with wt terminology.
it's important for them to understand these theocratic expressions so that they too can understand and speak the "pure language" of truth.
- zeph.
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Welcome, man oh man!
Philosophers - enemies of the truth
Apostates - enemies of the truth
Free thinkers - enemies of the truth
Thanks, Mankkeli, from here
Opposers - enemies of the truth
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Depressing
by mankkeli inisn't it depressing to believe that this is all there is to life?, an elder told me today that philosophers, apostates, free thinkers and many other enemies of the truth alike do not offer any hope for the future.
but this is the only organisation offering the hope.. what do you think?, the thought of living for just 70 or 80 yrs and not returning back is very depressing or do some other line of reasonings offer any hope?.
i am just curious..
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An elder told me today that philosophers, apostates, free thinkers and many other enemies of the truth alike do not offer any hope for the future. But this is the only organisation offering the hope.
As others have pointed out, the second sentence is not true. How is telling untruths consistent with the Bible?
"enemies of the truth" is name calling; ad-hominem. How is that consistent with the Golden Rule in the Bible?
Hope for the future. The future is in God's hands (if/however you believe in God). If God is our loving father, all we need to do is love, trust and live happily in the present. Where did you lose your faith? When did the elder lose his faith? Have any jws real faith?
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CO begging for more MS's
by life is to short inthe co is at my husbands hall this week so i tied in to the meeting he was going on and on about how there are 140 elders in the circuit and only 80 something ms's.
of the elders 25 are over 75 years old.
of the ms's it was about 20 are over 75 years old.
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Just wanted to say hello and welcome to isojourn (on p2 of this thread)
It is so obvious they are desperate. My 78 year father (who was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s over 6 years ago) was appointed elder over a month ago. Scary, but mostly sad.
That's a worry for you! Hope he's coping with the workload.
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Did you find reading the Bible enjoyable but your enjoyment was later soiled by the watchtower's take on it?
by punkofnice ini enjoyed reading the bible and my favourite was an asv i purchased at an a$$emby.. however, when i wanted to bone up on a passage or verse, i'd look at the insight or watchtowers and found the wtb$ really did ruin my enjoyment when they explained what i was reading.
i think it must have been the self serving spin the wtb$ put on the scriptures!.
anyone else get this and can comment why this happened?.
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I'd always enjoyed reading the KJV so the watchtower phrases grated on me. I'm not a bible scholar so cannot say about accuracy . . but "till time indefinite" and "taking in accurate knowledge" etc sound so dreary. Added to that the smug way they were pointed out,(perhaps you didn't know, but... ) it really diminished the Bible for that "study" session.
And what NRFG said - they were always right. If another verse seemed to contradict, it was "allegorical". No exploration, no scholarly sources, no debate. Sad.
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WT Lexicon
by 00DAD ini was thinking it would be helpful if we put together a wt lexicon for those that are not too familiar with wt terminology.
it's important for them to understand these theocratic expressions so that they too can understand and speak the "pure language" of truth.
- zeph.
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Bible Study - Puppy training
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For those who do not believe in the Bible: Why don't you?
by Chemical Emotions ini don't believe in the bible either, but i'm just curious as to why others don't.
ridiculous misogyny and mass murder by a petty little god are two reasons for me.
(ilovehigh-lighting) .
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Because its about an all-powerful, loving, vengeful, jealous, ineffective God who can't tell a straight story, let alone prophesy.
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Right, just read your last post. Perhaps educate yourself about the crazy beliefs of this "religion", and then join your husband and the elders, and just ask a few questions. that's all it takes. The beliefs are quite impossible to defend.
Expect a lot of complicated replies that are not answers, but change the topic, want to know why you are asking, etc. . .Keep returning to the original question and don't let them off.
The later, with your husband, express disappointment, and say you really wanted to understand. The idea is to get him wondering and perhaps researching. . .
Good luck