Oroborus21

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  I am confused. What do JW's believe about the 144,000 all "dying" before Ar

  by booker-t in

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  i am again confused on a teaching of jw's.

  while i was at the donut shop an elderly jw woman came up to me and started to discuss armaggeddon with me.

  since this is one of my favorite topics i engaged in dialogue with her.

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  Greetings!

  It is not surprising that you are confused or even that the Witness lady is also confused as the various teachings have morphed throughout the years (and I am not even referring to the Russell Era) on this topic.

  In short the current belief/teaching is that there will be some of the 144,000 aka anointed left on Earth at least during the start of the Great Tribulation. (The Great Tribulation is a period of time broader than the "Day of Armageddon". Armageddon is viewed as the culmination, the final war of the Great Tribulation). It is generally thought that some of the 144,000 will be left at the conclusion of the GT/Armageddon but expressions about this are more circumspect and vague. It is also vague as to how long into the New System/Millenial Reign (which begins immediately after Armageddon concludes) such anointed might live and help direct the earthly aspects of God's Kingdom, but it is thought that since these person's place is ruling in heaven (as kings and priests) that those living will not see death but be changed in "a twinkling of an eye" into their spiritual/non-material existence.

  The basic scriptural reasons for the above come from two lines of reasoning:

  1. The Scripture that says that the days of the tribulation will be "cut short for the sake of the holy ones" (to preserve them alive)

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  2. The FDS doctrine teaching in general. Because this doctrine holds that this slave continues to provide food blah, blah, blah until being given charge over everything. The view being that the master's man will be in charge over the domestics and around until the new system.

  -Eduardo
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  GUNS?!

  by thepackage in

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  2. experiences

  guns, should jw's have them?

  i know brothers that hunt on wt property in ny for deer.

  what is the answer????

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  No private citizen should have guns of any sort.

  Not another gun thread. Here we go again!

  -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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  Armageddon falls on what day of the week?

  by JH in

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  i say tuesday.................because it sounds like doomsday

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  Oroborus21

  Actually this is a good bet:

  12/21/12

  http://www.jehovahs-witnesses.net/creative/lila39.html

  -Eduardo
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  THIS JUST IN: CHRISTMAS has been CANCELLED this winter.

  by Oroborus21 in

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  flash--november 16, 2005, peoria, il.. instead of merry christmas, happy hannukah (or chanukah), kwanza, etc.all merchants are to use a generic term instead.

  no use of santa, a nativity scene or any christian or other religious symbolage may be used in store displays, on advertising on upon product packaging.

  use instead nondescript wintry animals, snowflakes and candycanes to signify the holiday season.. the committee on political correctness is expected to issue a final ruling by friday on whether "festivus" may be used.. -merchants for appropriate designations.

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  Sassmyfrass,

  Yes. the ads from Coke 74 years ago established the traditional rosy cheeked barrel chested bearded Santa though of course St. Nick, Father Christmas, etc. and Santa himself long existed in various cultures.

  Coke has said that there will be some Santas on in-store displays but not on the cans this year. Coke initially denied eliminating Santa this year but has since admitted that they are going with the Polar bear only on this years cans and no Merry Christmas. Coke has said that they will probably bring Santa back next year because it will be the 75th Anniversary.

  -ed
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  Old Light, where do I look?

  by wanderlustguy in

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  i'm staying with my brother, he has a great library of the publications, as does my dad.

  what should i look for besides the jan 1 1989 wt and corresponding bound volume?.

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  Here is my list (still in progress)

  http://www.jehovahs-witnesses.net/wtpublications.html

  -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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  Moon Halo's?

  by Jordan in

  1. jw
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  has anybody seen many of these before, i just saw one as i was coming in from the pub, i thought i was imagining at first, until a friend rang me and told me to take a look at the sky, he seemed convinced it was aliens.

  lol.

  just interested, have they been there lots of times before and i've just missed them, or are they rare?.

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  Littletoe,

  well if by "bad" you mean cold weather then you are correct. The presence of ice crystals in the upper atmosphere means that a cold front is moving in so when you see the moon halo you can expect it to turn cold over the next week or so and that probably means some snow in most areas or at least frost in warmer climates.

  -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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  Moon Halo's?

  by Jordan in

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  has anybody seen many of these before, i just saw one as i was coming in from the pub, i thought i was imagining at first, until a friend rang me and told me to take a look at the sky, he seemed convinced it was aliens.

  lol.

  just interested, have they been there lots of times before and i've just missed them, or are they rare?.

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  Oroborus21

  by the way here is a link for you:

  http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/halo/common.htm

  seems it is even more common in your area.

  I have never seen a sundog but would love to. I miss the sunsets of New Mexico. New Mexico has the best sunsets in the world due to the clarity of the atmosphere, the elevation, broad expanse and cumulus clouds that tend to gather and push off towards the west at dusk.

  -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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  Moon Halo's?

  by Jordan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anybody seen many of these before, i just saw one as i was coming in from the pub, i thought i was imagining at first, until a friend rang me and told me to take a look at the sky, he seemed convinced it was aliens.

  lol.

  just interested, have they been there lots of times before and i've just missed them, or are they rare?.

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  Oroborus21

  I used to see these all the time back home in New Mexico and no it is not rare. They are caused by the presence of ice crystals in the upper troposphere. The ice crystals refract the moonlight just like water droplets do to sunlight only in reverse and without elongating the wave so that you don't see a full-spectrum. Just the full bow of white light.

  Very cool. i am envious. The only moon halos I see around here are in West Hollywood on a Saturday night and they ain't pretty believe me.

  -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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  What's The Most Scandalous Thing You've Seen Happen In A Congregation?

  by minimus in

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  many years ago i remember suddenly how the bible study servant who was third in command got removed from his position, and was reproved for having a fling with his bible student who was much younger and very married too.

  actually, her husband came in the hall while he was substuting as a watchtower conductor and i was reading and screamed all sorts of profanities to him all the while screaming that he was "f***king his wife"!

  when the man told him, "i wanna talk to you", the elder said, "not now".

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  Oroborus21

  Greetings!

  Wife-Swapping among JWs is just an Urban Legend.

  It sounds plausible but there is not actual evidence to support such claims.

  I "heard about it" and "friend of a friend" classic signs and nonsense. The keys in the bowl thing is a classic artifact of this Urban Legend.

  There was allusion in the literature to such immorality back in the 70s but that was more a product of the times than an actual report.

  Many if not most JWs are sexually repressed and certainly not liberated enough to engage in wife-swapping.

  I know opposers want to believe that JWs are demented but it would be a rare JW that would feel such conduct was ok, especially an elder. Elders get their kicks vicariously and through power-trips not via personal sexual expression.

  As for a wife/woman that would consent to such a practice, while their might be quite a number who are disatisfied in their relationships, few would lack either the moral integrity or the self-esteem to allow themselves to be used in this way. Think about it, wife-swapping is primarily for the man's pleasure and only the most aroused women get into it. Most normal women would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into such a situation.

  -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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  Armageddon falls on what day of the week?

  by JH in

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  i say tuesday.................because it sounds like doomsday

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  Oroborus21

  No Nicolau, don't you know you are supposed to key in the number sequence from a bunker in some uncharted island.

  -Eduardo

  PS: My vote is for Lightday.