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  Would it be too cruel to..............

  by Amelia Ashton in

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  yesterday i had a real blast from my past turn up un-announced on my doorstep.

  she bumped into my daughter (who has rejected me) in sainsbury's, took her to lunch and got my address from her.

  she claims she has been searching for me ever since she discovered i was back in the uk.. she is a disfellowshipped sister who was described by one of our elders as a wagon.

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  Mum

  She sounds like a niece of mine. One of my nieces claims to be a true believer in the JW religion, but has never practiced it. Clearly the reason why is that she wants to make her own choices and live her own life. She has married well and has a career as a registered nurse. She shows no signs of becoming a JW.

  Don't worry about what your friend says. Look at what she does. She sounds like a poor prospect to become a JW. Maybe you guys can talk about other things than JW "theology" when you're together. Without too much talking, simply show her that your life has improved since leaving the JW's.
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  Do you think the GB have read COC?

  by zound in

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  do you think the governing body have read crisis of concience?.

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  Mum

  I vote Yes. They have read it and all of the commentaries and other extra-Biblical reference works Ray mentions in the book. Whether it's true or false is of no concern to them. Maintaining control, especially controlling access to information, is what matters to them. Otherwise, they would be repenting in sackcloth and ashes.
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  A Positive Comment About The Witnesses

  by minimus in

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  my mom is 87, in a few weeks.

  she's been ill for many years.

  she's been in the hospital in the last week and is now in rehab.

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  Mum

  As others have pointed out, I'm happy for you that your mom is being looked after, but she is one of the lucky ones.

  That having been said, the local dubs did look after my mom when she was on her last legs as well. My mom waited until she was old and sickly to become a dub, and it paid off for her. To her credit, she did not leave her property or money (of which she had little) to the WT.

  When I was a dub, my elder husband forbade me to babysit for JW friends unless it was so that they could go out in service. I got yelled at for babysitting one child so a sister could take her other toddler to the dentist. I also got yelled at for babysitting my Bible study's kids.
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  Do you think deception is always immoral?

  by The Quiet One in

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  as an example.

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  Mum

  Aren't most of the people on this forum practicing deception in one way or another, e.g. hiding their true identity, masquerading as true-believer JW's so they won't lose their families? Deception has its uses for good.

  When I was a small child, "sins" were so clear cut. As one gets older, it's not so cut-and-dried; there's a lot more grey than black or white.
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  Hi, from Adamah

  by adamah in

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  i'm just stopping in to say "hi!

  " to everyone (and is this the right forum?

  i didn't see a newcomers intro forum, but maybe i missed it).

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  Mum

  Welcome! I appreciate the insights.
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  When was the last time you cried?

  by UsuaIusern@me in

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  when was the last time you cried?.

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  Mum

  Actually, I don't remember. Amazing! I used to cry at the drop of a hat. Now that I care about what I do and not about what anyone else thinks of me or what I do, I'm far less likely to cry. Knowing what's really important and what really isn't - very liberating!
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  So what IS wrong with higher Education?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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  are the governing body, 8 pope-ettes, just jealous?.

  what group of people doesn't want their finest minds to be educated?

  (facepalm) .

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  Mum

  Educated people might challenge the authority of the GB. Their authority is entirely arbitrary because, from all I can perceive, they are self-appointed. The pope has to be elected by a college of cardinals. The pope can be criticized. These GB guys will not tolerate any challenge to their authority or the burdens they put upon their followers.
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  Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!

  by goatshapeddemon in

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  so, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!

  first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.

  he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.

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  Mum

  He's ready to defend child molestors, but what about the children they molested? Are they engaging in "demon-isnpired expression" if they have nightmares or find it hard to trust other people?

  Higher education, as was explained by a professor in a religion class I took, makes people more sensitive to the suffering of others, makes them more aware of reality and truth. People who go to college might not want to shun their brethren just because they had lunch with someone who is disapproved of by janitors and window washers.

  Please understand that I am not putting down janitors and window washers for the work they do. Their work is important. The most important jobs (e.g., cleaning, caring for children and elderly, food service, etc.) are to ones with the lowest pay. The point is that people who do these jobs don't have education in psychology or critical thinking to assess others and their motives.
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  A cult of Sociopaths undergoing a makeover

  by Terry in

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  cult members are property.. living property consisting of non-persons and non-individuals with disabled self-expression.. the tool used by this religion to control a member's desire to self-improve is attaching guilt as a stop-sign and crying: "disloyal.".

  like any owned property, you are under the total control of others.

  any wrong move, word or deed can label you a "danger" to the group-think.. there exists in such an authority structure only three possible stats you can achieve.. 1.compliant usefulness in carrying out assigned missions.

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  Another thing I've noticed about sociopaths is that they accuse others of doing things they themselves do. When the "apostates" are accused of trying to draw others after themselves, lying, and being mentally diseased, they should consider the source, i.e., the ones who really fit this description!
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  HOW to accept counsel and criticism from an Elder

  by Terry in

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  there is a catch-22 that can trip you up at the local kingdom hall.. .

  if you receive "counsel" from an elder about any behavior at all and you "resist" or question the counsel you can be accused of having a "spirit of rebellion".. .

  so, you have to either shut up and comply (with even the most ludicrous and ill-founded suggestions) or answer back and be chastised and "marked".. .

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  Those "elder" guys are something else! At my JC meeting, the one who was the most hard-nosed had been a born-in JW, and joined the military when he turned 18. Then he married a "worldly" woman and had six kids! Why was he an "elder" to begin with?

  They are arrogant because they really have not achieved anything in the real world, but in the cult world, they are "leaders" and potential "princes." Women pursue them. The whole congregation adores them. They are demigods, "special." They don't even know they're ignorant. Pathetic!