I think the original "Revelation-its Grand Climax Book" had this insane nonsense in it, but it may have been changed later ?
They studied that trash about three times in the old Home based Group Studies !
Posts by Phizzy
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81922 Cedar Point Ohio Convention
by Nambo ini recall reading that daniel 12 verse 12 ( 12 blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
), was claimed to have been fulfilled by the cedar point ohio convention in 1922.. can anybody recall which publications this claim was published in please?.
or even better, a screen shot.
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Big Local Case, Sexual Abuse by former Elder, Police Raided the Kingdom Hall ! Kent, U.K !
by Phizzy inthe police have started an investigation where a woman has courageously come forward about her sexual abuse by a former elder, who had a record of doing such things with the local congregation, and i think it was all covered up.
they have charged him, he is claiming he is not mentally fit to appear in court, i hope that lie does not hold up !.
this case was unknown to the local elders, but hopefully will now give the strength for other women, who were all very young and very vulnerable at the time , to come forward as well.
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Phizzy
The Police have started an Investigation where a woman has courageously come forward about her Sexual Abuse by a former Elder, who had a record of doing such things with the Local Congregation, and I think it was all covered up. They have Charged him, he is claiming he is not mentally fit to appear in Court, I hope that Lie does not hold up !
This Case was unknown to the local Elders, but hopefully will now give the strength for other women, who were all very young and very vulnerable at the time , to come forward as well. One girl he got pregnant !
The Police Raided the Kingdom Hall, here in Kent U.K, at a time they knew at least some J.W's were there, and opened the K.H Safe, after entering by all three access doors, they would have had to force the two to the rear, as they lock as soon as closed, and can only be opened from the inside, but they burst in at the same time from all three entrances.
They would not have found in the Safe any Records about this guy of course, but can maybe get hold of any the Congregation has held on him, that have not been destroyed as the G.B instructed them to do.
This guy used to pick on girls with a bad home life, or were mentally unstable, or vulnerable in any way, take them in to his home to "straighten them out", whereas it is known, in reality, he used to Groom them, as a Paedophile does, I do not think he picked on anyone under the Age of Consent, 16, but maybe he did.
I shall watch as this unfolds, and Report back as things develop !
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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’
by LongHairGal inthis information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.
(i don’t go on jw dot org).
it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.
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Phizzy
I am so pleased that I took no notice of the 1975 hype, it was all supposed to be over by October '75.
In August '75 I started my private pension, if I didn't have that, my standard of living would be very low, on just the paltry State Pension we get in the U.K.
Of course i ignored any End Times crap over the years until I walked away for good, putting more in to my private pension as I could afford to do so.
The J.W Org. has a lot to answer for !
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List of conventions that congregation are assigned to
by AdamCzarnobay indoes anyone have access to the list that shows which congregations are assigned to each convention in the uk.
would really like the 2024 list if anyone has it.. thanks in advance.
adam.
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Phizzy
A 2025 list will be helpful to me as the info. .becomes available, I like to go out for a meal when I know J.W's won't be there, going early on Memorial Night guarantees that of course !
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Your First Christmas Tree, Christmas Lights, Other Christmas Decoration/Custom
by NotFormer inas someone who never grew up in the shadow of the wt, i love reading accounts of people who began to wake up and think that the wt wasn't all that it represents itself to be*.
and especially when they see that the things that they were told to avoid were harmless at worst, and quite often fun.
christmas is a prime example.
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Phizzy
Ba Humbug ! a Bribie ?
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Your First Christmas Tree, Christmas Lights, Other Christmas Decoration/Custom
by NotFormer inas someone who never grew up in the shadow of the wt, i love reading accounts of people who began to wake up and think that the wt wasn't all that it represents itself to be*.
and especially when they see that the things that they were told to avoid were harmless at worst, and quite often fun.
christmas is a prime example.
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Phizzy
Our Christmas Meal, when we were J.W's, had always been the traditional one, Turkey another meat or two, all the veg and lovely roasted potatoes, accompanied by a lot of Booze !
All the family got together, in-laws, some came from overseas, and it was a real Family Meal.
But after we left in a short time we began putting up Christmas lights, and giving presents. It was a few years before we actually put up a tree, I was careful in those early days, my close J.W relatives , those who lived nearby, often popped in, in those days. I was not careful over other things, as soon as I left I began to Vote, and to donate Blood, and other non-J.W approved things.
One day my darling little grandson walked in to our house a week or two before Christmas, and said "Why haven't you got a Christmas Tree ? " , his mum loved Christmas and Birthdays, still does, she was never a J.W. And I thought to myself " Yes ! why not ?", so I went out and bought one, and all the stuff to decorate it.
By that time I had got to the stage of not giving a damn if the Elders Disfellowshipped me. And I began to feel "Yes, I am now REALLY free of the Org. they no longer have any power over me ! ".
Any of the possible actions by the Elders didn't happen, which is great, as I am free to have normal contact with J.W. family.
The non-JW family always came to our House, as we had lots of room for everybody, so when my grandson arrived, there was the Tree, resplendent with lights and everything, he looked at the tree, and back at me, and gave a nod of approval, which amused me, it was so adult !
In the following years I bought ever bigger Trees, one was too big at over seven feet tall, and had to be trimmed, but it did look wonderful !
A Happy and Merry Christmas to all !
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Merry Christmas Everyone
by jhine init's that time of year again .
in the words of the bard ( noddy holder ) " it's christmaaas " .
merry christmas everybody .
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Phizzy
Thank you Jan !
May you, your family, and all on here,
HAVE THE BEST CHRISTMAS EVER !!
A Merry Christmas and a Happy and fulfilled New Year to ALL !
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Convention attendance
by joe134cd injust heard from a pimi cousin who recently attended a convention, and remarked about the low attendance.
peak was about 500. i remember that circuit, in years past, had attendances of 1000+.
it's been over a decade now since i last attended a jw convention.
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Phizzy
True Beth, when I started to just "stir and open my eyes a bit" before fully "waking up", I cancelled my monthly donation, and never gave them a penny after that. I thought to myself "They don't need it, me and my wife do".
That was about 3 or 4 years before I woke up in any significant way.
Hopefully the low attendances are indicative of people waking up a bit, and maybe not donating as much, or even nothing. This will cause the org to take ever more obvious steps to raise money, and increase donations, as even a wealthy org. needs Cash Flow regularly.
Whatever they do to extort more money, it will make more people PIMO, and hence be counter productive, I sincerely hope !
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New here
by AdamCzarnobay ini left the organization in 2017.. was in several congregations in the north west of england.
i just wanted to say thank you to all of you that have posted on here over the years, it really helped me to see the truth about the organization.
i lurked here for many years under an anonymous login and then finally plucked up the courage to write my disassociation letter.. adam.
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Phizzy
Welcome Adam !
It really warms my heart to hear of yet another person who has started walking on the Road to Freedom, the greatest freedom you will find along the way is Freedom of Mind ! That is to be cherished, and used.
"A Watcher" asked "Did you leave Jehovah too ?" my answer to that is "You cannot leave an Imaginary Fictional Character", which upsets believers, sorry believers, but I would rather live in the Real World, than remain deluded in any way.
All gods were invented by men. In the case of YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah, we know when in History he was invented, and by which peoples, who introduced him to the Israelites.
May all go well with you in your new Free Life !
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Leaked Annual Meeting Video: "Expect Sudden Changes" Jeffrey Jackson
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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Phizzy
Changing the "truth", there fixed it for you Van. Truth does not change, only mere opinions posing as truth do.
You are correct Van, Russell changed what was "truth" with amazing unabashed frequency, so did the org. in all the intervening years. The slight difference with the latest changes is that they are not going to be able to openly label them as "New Light from Jehovah", but they do this subtly by implication, to give the impression they are guided in what they do from Heaven.
If they truly were, they would not have been over the years, as they are now, desperately reacting to circumstances, they would have been forewarned and have been proactive before problems grew.
May I add my thanks to those who leaked the nonsense before it happened as well, it is a pleasure to know what is about to happen before the Rank and File J.W's do !