i recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the kingdom hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the four forms of love: agape, philia, storge and eros.. the watchtower never mentioned pragma.. pragma: this is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other.
this type of love is associated with being together for a long time.
in some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.. i think i know why; the watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?.
From Bible Hub :
" In the New Testament, "pragma" generally refers to a matter or affair, often with a focus on practical or concrete aspects. It can denote a business transaction, a legal matter, or a deed. The term emphasizes the tangible or actionable nature of the subject in question."
the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.
to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.
the first and last sentences.
"This will put the government on collision course with the Catholic Church who claim the “ sanctity of the confessional “ B.B.
"The sanctity of the confessional is , obviously, for people who CONFESS their sins. However if a child goes to a priest to report that they have been abused then that isn't a confession."
In U.K Law if a Priest uncovers a crime he is already duty bound to report it, the fact he learned it in the Confessional is irrelevant. This has been the case since the Reformation.
The loophole that will be closed is that a priest can claim he has not uncovered a crime where what is confessed does not at present constitute one, in HIS opinion, the same applies to an Elder, they will have to report first, and it is up to the authorities to say if a crime has been committed.
the police have started an investigation where a woman has courageously come forward about her sexual abuse by a former elder, who had a record of doing such things with the local congregation, and i think it was all covered up.
they have charged him, he is claiming he is not mentally fit to appear in court, i hope that lie does not hold up !.
this case was unknown to the local elders, but hopefully will now give the strength for other women, who were all very young and very vulnerable at the time , to come forward as well.
I will not identify the Hall on here, as it may identify the individual and prejudice the case against the Monster.
Assuming it comes to Court, and I really hope it does ! I will tell all.
i overheard a discussion between two jws, they said that when someone is disfellowshipped, they are asked to hand their blood card back to the elders.
i had never heard of this before, is this correct?.
If I had been DF'd I would not have had a card to hand back, I never filled one in or carried one when I was a J.W.
It was strange thinking about it, I had never thought about the blood nonsense hardly, I did that after I left, and asked my Doctor to remove any reference to it from my Records, and any ref. to me being a J.W. he assured me no such records had ever been on there ! LOL, I hadn't done that either.
I think the reason I did not do any of that crap was the feeling that is natural to me, since I was very young, just a boy, to never obey "authority" if I cannot see good reasons as to why I should.
The move to stop all that, to do with Blood cards, was definitely the fear the Org. has of litigation, The Legal Dept. guide them on this, as in so much, where is the Holy Spirit one wonders ? LOL.
When the Org. makes ANY move, it is always about the $$$.
luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.
nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.
now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.
One Commentator wrote :
Σήμερον, to-day) On that day the converted robber could have hardly looked for death.[262] But the breaking of the legs was made subservient to this end. Thereby the Lord’s promise was fulfilled. [The marking of the time by the expression, to-day, is not to be referred (joined) to the verb, I say, as if the robber should have to wait for his entrance into Paradise during I know not how long periods of time. That the words were spoken to him on that day, is of itself evident (without it being necessary to say so). Jesus never used the expression, To-day I say; whereas He repeatedly used the expression, I say. Therefore we must read the words thus, To-day shalt thou be with Me in paradise. Thus the power and grace of the Lord, and also His own ready and immediate entrance into Paradise, is openly declared.—V. g. That was indeed to save, Luke 23:39 (which the impenitent robber had taunted Him with, as unable to effect it).—Harm., p. 570].—μετʼ ἐμοῦ, with me) Much more then did Jesus Himself come to Paradise. [A fact which must have been very consolatory to Mary, wife of Cleopas, and Mary Magdalene, against men’s bitter taunts, and to the Virgin mother and John, when communicated to them.
this short thread addresses the often-repeated legend that christians fled jerusalem to pella and escaped the destruction of jerusalem.
the legend is based upon two 4th century comments.. .
the whole body, however, of the church at jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city to a certain town beyond the jordan called pella.
Thanks once again for a fascinating and informative Thread P.P.
Having been aware for a long time that the Gospel of Mark was a work of Fiction in the main, but of the Gospel Genre, it has also been long in my mind that this "Prophecy" was written after the event, using the methodology of the Writer of Daniel, but to have it confirmed that this was a very late interpolation is satisfying.
Thinking on it, Luke 21v21 must be a late interpolation too ?
this is the watchtower study article being studied today.
so it’s the current new light!.
what are the new qualifications to be an “elder-aka older man...and circuit overseer?.
In a chat I had the other day with one of my sons, he told me he went for a drink with two old J.W friends, one lad is out completely, and his lovely wife was never a J.W. The other lad is sort of physically in, as he runs a business with some J.W's in, so goes along to "keep up appearances".
He told my son of all the ones who were around their age that have left, and of the many that are PIMO, who just show up at a Meeting about once a Month !
No wonder they are running out of people to do all the actual boring tasks, that are beneath Elders to do.
there have been a few exjw circuit overseers that have woken up, left the organization and have posted their experience on exjwreddit.
all of them deleted their accounts not long after for fear someone might figure out who they were.
it’s not easy waking up as a circuit overseer.
Back when I was in a few C.O's I knew were DF'd for "Sin".
But one notable one, who I will not name, was a youngish guy, who obviously Woke Up and walked away, I do not know if any action was taken against him, and his wife remained a J.W, at least for a short while.
He was a fantastic Speaker, anywhere, he regularly of course gave Talks at Circuit Conventions but regularly at the national ones too ! His voice had a pleasing timbre, his accent was wonderful, and he imbued all his talks with a powerful and moving message.
So when he left it caused a stir. He then went on to run a successful Business for many years, wise chap ! I knew him well, and he was a lovely guy, and funny too !
At one Circuit Convention, he sat behind me, and during the talk lent forward and whispered in my ear " Phizzy, why is your head SO big ? " LOL, it is, and he could barely see the Platform !
the police have started an investigation where a woman has courageously come forward about her sexual abuse by a former elder, who had a record of doing such things with the local congregation, and i think it was all covered up.
they have charged him, he is claiming he is not mentally fit to appear in court, i hope that lie does not hold up !.
this case was unknown to the local elders, but hopefully will now give the strength for other women, who were all very young and very vulnerable at the time , to come forward as well.
" Any newspaper links to this event yet?".
I could find nothing at all about it on-line anywhere, I searched Newspaper Sites, Village News Sites, and the two Police Sites. The Kent one, and the local one they have for where the K.H is located, nothing.
I did not expect to find anything on the Police Sites, they usually only Report when someone is Jailed.
The J.W's will obviously try to keep a lid on it, and will have been told by the Police to do so, so as not to prejudice any Case.
i recall reading that daniel 12 verse 12 ( 12 blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
), was claimed to have been fulfilled by the cedar point ohio convention in 1922.. can anybody recall which publications this claim was published in please?.
or even better, a screen shot.
I think the original "Revelation-its Grand Climax Book" had this insane nonsense in it, but it may have been changed later ?
They studied that trash about three times in the old Home based Group Studies !
