Posts by Perry

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WT U-Turn on "Great Crowd" (May 1,200...

by stevieb1 in

the following is taken from questions from readers p.31 of the my 1, 2002 watchtower.

it is the wt response to the question: "when john saw the "great crowd" rendering sacred service in jehovah's temple, in which part of the temple were they doing this?".

quote.

Perry

GB roundtable discussion:

GB - 1
We're all getting old, what the hell are we going to do?

GB - 2
Perhaps invite other annointed to become GB?

GB - 3
Heck no, most of them are senile....you know that!

GB - 1
I wish, Freddie were here....he'd know what do.

GB - 3
No Freddie would just lock himself up in his room and come back to us with another silly vision. What we need is a younger more vibrant GB.....that way we can retire.

GB - 1
Call the writing dept.

(((((Phone rings))))))

Hello?

GB - 3
Yea, this is the GB. We're dead locked on how to get more younger administratively savvy members on the GB before we die. Any suggestions?

Writing Dept:
Well, Freddie never wanted it that way so he placed the Great Crowd outside the spiritual temple in the courtyard of gentiles. I don't see how this would be possible.

GB - 3
Goddammit! Freddie is dead. When are you boys gonna start thinking for yourselves? We've got a problem on our hands here and all you can do is quote Freddie?

Writing dept:

(Shaky voice) Well, I suppose we could take the Great Crowd from the courtyard and place them maybe in a special room or something in the temple?

GB - 3

Ok, good, good. We want to see a draft first thing Monday morning...got it? And don't forget to put the usual thanks to God for us thinking of this stuff in the article too.

Writing dept:
(voice stronger now) Do you want it to be a study article?

GB - 3 Hell no, the Apostates would have a field day with this stuff. We don't want the rank and file thinking too much about it either. It might hinder their field service. Just make up a phony Questions from Readers and put it there. That way we can refer to it in a year or two at the distric convention and make people feel stupid for having let this change slip past them.

That'll make 'em work harder.

Writing dept:
Anything else?

GB - 3
Jesus, I hate that smell! Yea, could you bring us some depends up here? I think GB - 2 had an accident again.

Writing dept:
Right away sir.

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Question for Atheists

by RWC in

christians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.

for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?

what is your moral foundation?

Perry

I was going to leave my last post as it is. However, the over whelming one-sided bias statements extolling the absolute virtuousness by comparing it to extreme Diesm, just kills me to see it swallowed by otherwise intelligent people.

The absolutist Athiest must build his ideology upon the natural processes. His moral judgements are animalistic, self-serving and elitest. The more conservative Athiest must borrow ideas from the Diest to make his ideology more acceptable in a post-modern world. He then faces a delimma that the Diest does not....he must reject the most fundamental tenet of his world view.

Allow me to explain:

The rabid Atheist, sees himself as the product of random events and survival of the fittest. Therefore to preserve a strictly scientific definition of morality, the absolutist Atheist must assume that those who are in power are there because they are the fittest. If some races are down-trodden, or certain cultures simply disappear in the face of more powerful cultures; it is no need to become overly worried....its just natural.

The more compassionate Atheist borrows certain tenets from his Theistic counterparts like, all men are created equal, the MLK "I have a Dream" speech, and "love thy neighbor".

Its easy to see the contridiction in values and the mental acrobats involved for the moderate Atheist. While accepting the ranom happenings, infinite digression of cause and effect events, and survival of the fittest, as having been a good thing in getting us where we are now, those processes must be abandonded in favor of a higher morality. All the while the moderate knows he is violating the very processes that produced him.

The Diest has no such conflict. The Diety is a perfect benevelent standard and he simply strives to display love, justice, wisdom and power how he imagines the Diety would if he were here.

To say that, since Eugenics is an Atheistic value and belief system, so therefore all Athiests are Eugenicists is just about as stupid as some of the comments that said, because Aztec Diests ripped human hearts out, all Diests are savages. This line of reasoning is completely idiotic to such a degree that intellectual shock cannot describe the mind numbing processes that must have taken place to allow someone to actually utter such non-sense.

It is that kind of rhetoric that allows the rabid Atheists ideologies such as Eugenics and Marxism to continue their influence in social policy unnoticed and sometimes unhindered.

The bottom line is that the moderate Atheist must borrow some moral tenets from their Diest counterparts and the moderate Diest must borrow scientific observations from the Atheist.

If either does not, they will simply lose their appeal to logical, reasonable, peace loving people.

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Question for Atheists

by RWC in

christians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.

for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?

what is your moral foundation?

Perry

Yes, let's look at where some Atheists get there morals:

Marxism
Secular Humanism - ethical relativism
Eugenicists - evolutionary human biology

Just as some savvy deists find it useful to pervert religion for political and social agendas, Atheists have and are doing the exact same thing.

What's the difference? Absolutely none. Oh there is one. The deist may be overall slightly more forthright by calling their ideology a religion while their Atheist counterparts often find it politically useful to claim that their non-scientific ideologies are faith-free and not a religion.

Why is OK for the virtuous Atheist to condemn his radical brethren for promoting destructive and non-scientific ideologies, while some start yelling hypocrisy to the virtuous Diest who condemns thier radical factions?

Unless both Atheists and Diests get their heads out of the sand, they will simply fall victim to the most effective spin doctors manipulating their worldview, again and again.

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I feel sorry for this Guy......

by Prisca in

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friends

this is from a thread on h20.

i've deleted his name even though he gave his full name in the thread.. --------.

i've never did one of these befor so bare with me!

Perry

If it is a real post, then the poor fella is probably grossly undereducated, extremely lonely, and completely mentally trapped. He thinks people should ask an elder to find out if they should even talk to him!

It is this kind of carnage that that is the true legacy of the Society. Anybody with half a brain can plainly see the cycle of self-destruction. He can't make more responsible decisions because he feels so cruddy about himself. He can't feel better about himself because his only support group is the witnessses and they've got him beleiving he's not good enough for God.

Simple love and validation as a human being would sovle his problem in not too long a time.

I have to believe that if Christ were to suddenly appear for an encore, this guy would be one of the first ones he'd visit. A visit and a meal with the son of God while the elders and GB had to wait at the end of the line would go a long way toward him realizing what his true value is.

All those perfect witnesses would simply look foolish once he hung out with Christ for a while and found out that Jesus really didn't want anything from him....just friendship.

When down trodden people were given great personal value two thousand years ago, three and a half years of validation changed the course of world history.

The problem today is not religion, it is the institutionalization of simple kindness and caring by whatever means.

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One Remaining Concern

by writerpen in

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after being out for seven months now, i have overcome so much fear that was indoctrinated into me while being raised a witness - the fear of attending another church, armageddon, not being a witness, celebrating holidays, etc.

with help from this board and other outside sources, all these fears have subsided.

however, there is one that remains and is often stirred by a topic that is included in many of the posts on this board.

Perry

Another popular view is that the harlot represents the commercial establishment. I really haven't concerned myself with pop interpretations since leaving. I rather tend to just enjoy the sense of community.

I understand totally the lingering grip of fear that certain doctrines still have. You will be fine in time, believe me.

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Searching for a Child Abuser

by YoYoMama in

i heard this weekend that a convicted child abuser was murdered in jail.

i knew him but i don't remember his first name.

we were in the same congregation together for a few weeks.

Perry

Yo Yo,

How old was the perpatrator when the crimes occurred?

Society Man

by Perry in

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society man.

casting away symbols of a peaceful age,.

he runs to escape the void that stalks,.

Perry

Society Man

Casting away symbols of a peaceful age,
He runs to escape the void that stalks,
It seeks to master his misplaced courage,
Like a jungle denizen with padded feet.

Running faster and faster with wind in hair,
tightness of muscle, and a conqueor's face,
All vain attempts to desperately defy,
The emptiness in everything, with every leap.

The forest trees like towers of knowledge,
Reveal the great chasm that lies beneath him,
So, he cuts them down 'lest they not expose,
The lies that he speaks...to his own defeat.

Displays of piety and absolute power,
Give way to those of humble means.
Closer now, closer...he is becoming,
In the broadways he forges his god-like feats.

But the elusive birds, like whisperers of truth,
Assault with troubling dreams and contorted faces,
They prophesy in pain about things long ignored,
The symbols are not lost...only buried deep.

Demanding to possess what he cannot grasp,
Refusing to believe it's as simple as that,
"Love is a weakness", "rules equal life"
It's almost over now. Has he become a beast?

........ Perry

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