"Born Agains" is such a JW term. JW's seem to believe that everyone has to be in an "organization." Actually different people have different opinions -- what an untheocratic concept. Having said that, I attend a non-deminational Christian Church. My mother the dub thinks I'm a "born again." So I guess as a representative of the "born again organization" I can speak for all the "born agains" throughout the entire world. Therefore from my authoratative perch I can assure you that the Pope is not a member of the "other sheep class" but is of the "annointed class" and since all members of the "annointed class" are subject to instantaneous resurrection since Christ's invisible presence of 1874 (or 1914 whatever)that the Pope indeed is in heaven. Either that or he is in hell. I am awaiting the answer to this in the next "Questions From the Readers" section of the "born again organization's" official Bible journal which is published semi-monthly in hundreds of languages throughout the world.
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Do "born-again christians"believe that the Pope went to heaven or hell?
by booker-t ini ask this question because i know alot of "born-agains"that do not like roman catholics and feel that they worship mary and will not make it to heaven.
my friend that is a devout catholic has told me many horror stories of christians sending pamphlets to catholic churches telling them that they will burn in hell.
i was igronant of the anti-catholic hatred that is taught in many born-again christian churches.
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New Mexico or Amarillo Circuit
by Sparkplug inhey...is anybody on here from nm?
i have not seen anyone from the state post?
i wonder if nm has computers yet?
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Hey Eduardo,
I went to serve where the need is greater in Artesia in 1974. What with Armageddon coming in 1975 it was important to spread Jehovah's message of paradise and doom throughout all of Artesia, Hope, Lake Arthur, etc.
After six months I went home to California. I couldn't deal living in a place where they rolled up the sidewalks at 9:00 PM.
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WHY do they stay?!?!
by Pwned ini just dont get how people can stay in a religion that constantly changes the "truth".
never mind the scandals, that is a seperate issue.
but the foundation of a religion is its doctrine, how can you believe an organiztion that constantly changes it.
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Abraham Lincoln said: "You can fool some of the people all of the time."
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The Watchtower In Crisis: Why They Can't Raise Good Kids
by metatron inif there any single factor that i would rate as the highest priority in raising a child, it is this:.
teach them to be caring, loving adults who care about other people.. we've already noted, ad nauseum, how witnesses are largely impelled by motives other than love in their "ministry".
"pioneer stroll" and fantasies about who's-house-you-want-after-armageddon, there is a further problem in raising witness kids.
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The Tyranny of the Childless Men.
How can we expect advice and guidance in raising our children from WT leadership when nearly 100% of the leadership from Circut Overseer up through Bethel have never had any children?
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Can someone help with Assembly locations in Norco and Los Angeles?
by hlaim ini'm a former witness (attended when i was young but never baptized).
the assembly halls that i attended (besides dodger stadium) were one in norco and what had to be a historic "play house/theatre" in a bad area of la.
what i remember.... norco: facing the stage, i remember murals on the right upper wall.
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I am a salesman. Tomorrow morning I have an appointment with a client whose business is next door to the Norco Assembly Hall. While I don't know the address of the assembly hall, I can tell you that my client Quick Crete Products is located at 731 Parkridge Ave in Norco, so therefore the assembly hall is on Parkridge Avenue. The link from Yahoo maps is:
The closest freeway intersection is the 91 and the 15.
Good luck with your nostalgic trip!
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Opera Singers Are Always So Unattractive And ...
by Englishman in.
http://www.katherinejenkins.co.uk/.
volume, up!.
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Millions Now Living.....
by undercover in....may see the red sox win the world series.
not since 1918 have the sox won the wold series.
what meaning would the sox winning this year mean for us alive today?.
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While certain apostates may proclaim a victory by the Bosox as having scriptural significance, is this light from God's earthly organization? Or is it merely Babylonish thinking. Let us examine the facts brothers. The Red Sox wear scarlet sox. Scarlet is the color of the the wild beast. Also please note that the last year the Sox won the series was 1918. Examine the number carefully and you see that 18=6+6+6! 666 is the mark of the beast! Should we put our trust in the Red Sox who are clearly are part of the Devil's visible organization?
Perhaps we should search the scriptures more diligently to find the true prophetic anti-types of major league baseball. Which team represents God's earthly organization? Think back to the time of the prophet Elijah. When he was being reviled by the childish apostates, God sent a she-bear out to tear the apostates to pieces. This she-bear represents God's present earthly organization which tears apostates to pieces! Today that organization is foreshadowed by the prophetic anti-type of that team from the Windy City -- the Chicago Cubs.
When the Cubs are exalted to glory with a World Series victory than shall we know that the fullness of times has arrived and that a glorious paradise earth awaits. Millions of Cub fans living shall never die!
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The Stones Will Cry Out
by Poztate inon another thread johnny crip said thisoff the top of my head .
in the golden age they used the verse about the stones crying out.
to prove that radio, with it's tubes made of different minerials etc.
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I believe that this scripture is fulfilled when I see the JW's standing mutely in front of the donut shop holding up their Watchtowers. They are as silent as stones, as immovable as stones and unthinking as stones. This makes them members of the antitypical stone class, "spiritual stoners" as it were.
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Witnessing on the Internet
by jgnat ini stumbled across this "expert" on church history on one of my google grazing missions.. http://allexperts.com/displayexpert.asp?expert=47361.
brenda martin.
do you think she counts the hours?.
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I decided to see if this woman is an "expert" by asking a question. I can report that she is such a good expert that she could enjoy a career on the writing committee!
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I've been reading the Watchtower Society's book "The New World." On page 104 it makes the following statement which I don't understand. "The Lord Jesus has now come to the temple for judgement, and the remnant of the members of "his body" yet on earth he has gathered into the temple condition of perfect unity with himself and hence those faithful men of old may be expected back from the dead any day now. The scriptures give good reason to believe that it shall be shortly before Armageddon breaks. To this expectation the house at San Diego, California, which house has been much publicized with malicious intent by the religious enemy, was built,in 1930, and named 'Beth Sarim', meaning 'House of Princes'. It is now held in trust for the occupancy of those princes on their return. The most recent facts show that the religionists of this doomed world are gnashing their teeth because of the testimony which that 'House of Princes' bears to the New World." My questions are: What are the "recent facts" mentioned in the quote? What "testimony" did the house give? Who were the "princes" for whom the house was held in trust? Did the princes occupy the house? Since I live in San Diego I am very interested in your answer to these questions. Thank you.
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"THE LORD JESUS HAS NOW COME TO THE TEMPLE FOR JUDGEMENT, and the remnant of the members of "his body" yet on earth he has gathered into the temple condition of perfect unity with himself and hence those faithful men of old may be expected back from the dead any day now. The scriptures give good reason to believe that it shall be shortly before Armageddon breaks."The literature I have at my disposal goes back to the 1950's and there is no "New World book" so I cannot check what you have said, sorry.
BETH SARIM', MEANING 'HOUSE OF PRINCES'.
Here is all I could find on the subject?"Concerning Beth-Sarim, the book ?Salvation,? published in 1939, explains: ?The Hebrew words ?Beth Sarim' mean ?House of the Princes'; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth.?
A few years after Brother Rutherford's death, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? ?The Watchtower? of December 15, 1947, explained: ?It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the King Christ Jesus will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely in California) is based, not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God's Word of promise.?
At the time, it was believed that faithful men of old times, such as Abraham, Joseph, and David, would be resurrected before the end of this system of things and would serve as ?princes in all the earth,? in fulfillment of Psalm 45:16. This view was adjusted in 1950, when further study of the Scriptures indicated that those earthly forefathers of Jesus Christ would be resurrected after Armageddon.?See ?The Watchtower,? November 1, 1950, pages 414-17.
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I have an idea . . . and forgive me if this has already been suggested
by cruzanheart init always annoys me to see the latest copies of the watchtower & awake!
magazines when i go visit my mom at the nursing home.
i don't feel comfortable throwing them away, since it's not my "house" but i feel the need to make a statement.
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I remember awhile back someone posted a sticker they would attach to magazines:
"Jehovah's Witnesses -- Join Us or Die!"